Originally posted by Malcram
reply to post by JimOberg

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I think we can summarize your last three posts simply as:

NASA says 'there's nothing to see here, move along'

Well, we know that's what NASA's response is. Isn't it always? You have to remember that for many at ATS, NASA is the 'defendant', accused of fraud and gross deception. Which means quoting members of NASA in support of NASA's 'findings' is pretty meaningless. It's rather like the defense in court waving a piece of paper and saying "I have here a written statement by the defendant which clearly and eloquently states how upstanding and innocent of all charges he is and which completely validates the account of the events he gave us earlier."

Oh well, case dismissed then.

[edit on 8-6-2009 by Malcram]

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by Malcram
reply to post by JimOberg

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I think, differently, that your attitude is 'we don't need to ask the defendant for an explanation, string him up.'

Why bother with primary witnesses at all?

Why bother with the lighting conditions at all, 'glowing plasma' is so much more thrilling.

Why bother with reality at all?

Well, I'm the guest, and it's your sandbox, so go right ahead.

What about those huge transluscent objects flying in from over the shuttles' right side? You can see them as they go on their path, hit the earth's atmosphere, turning into a black sphere, then as they enter, they become white pulsating spheres hovering over inside the atmosphere. Taken with UV and Infra-red cameras. A well known filmmaker we all know here at ATS has a film coming out that has incredible details on these particular scenes that I am sure is going to make you think more about them being ships or some kind of bio-organism, rather than these lame explanations you always rely on explaining away these anomalies. I'm sure you never even noticed this footage. Jimmy2theR

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Malcram

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Greetings Malcram!

Check out this video - it shows the STS-75 tether UFOs appear out of nowhere

Originally posted by JScytale
reply to post by Exuberant1

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attempting to demonstrate a parabolic arc from a near-head on angle.



notice the trajectory. now imagine a particle following it exactly - it appears to move in one direction, slow down, and make a complete U-turn.

now imagine yourself positioned *exactly* in line with the direction of its motion. it will appear to move, slow down, come to a complete stop for a moment, and reverse its course 180 degrees exactly.

Originally posted by JScytale
in space, particles will move in a slight to strong parabolic arc. depending on their speed, the arc could be un-noticeable. if an object moves fast enough, the slight arc exactly matches the curvature of the earth. thats what we call orbit. orbit is moving so fast that you fall just quickly enough to drop down the same amount that the earth drops away from your trajectory, in layman's terms.

objects can easily bump into each other. they can be easily influenced by particles too small to notice - and were talking about visible objects in space after a satellite broke. a lot of debris is in space. a *whole* lot. and its not going to just "fall out of the way" immediately because due to momentum, its velocity matches the satellite's + whatever forces caused it to snap off in whatever direction it snapped off into.

bear in mind the shuttle also possesses thrusters that fire frequently to correct its orbit. these thrusters are more than capable of influencing particles.

if you're having trouble understanding how orbit works, try this intuitive, interactive explanation.
spaceplace.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by JScytale
reply to post by afgang

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......In my eyes, 99% of these objects are pretty much conclusively micrometeorites and debris.