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Feds spike voter citizenship checks in Georgia

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posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Feds spike voter citizenship checks in Georgia


www3.signonsandiego.com

The Justice Department has rejected Georgia's system of using Social Security numbers and driver's license data to check whether prospective voters are citizens, a process that was a subject of a federal lawsuit in the weeks leading up to November's election.

In a letter released on Monday, the Justice Department said the state's voter verification program is frequently inaccurate and has a "discriminatory effect" on minority voters. The decision means Georgia must halt the citizenship checks, although the state can still ask the Justice Department to reconsider, according to the letter and to the Georgia secretary of state's office.
(visit the link for the full news article)



[edit on 6/2/2009 by octotom]




posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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This must be a joke, right? A voter verification system has a "discriminatory effect"? Minorities have to pass "erroneous burdens" to register to vote?

What's so difficult about writing down nine numbers to prove your citizenship? How is that an unfair burden? That's all you have to show to prove that you're a citizen! You give your Social Security Number, they run it through a system and if you're a citizen--BAM, a voter card comes in the mail! We all have to do this, not just blacks and Hispanics!

It's say that there is a disproportionate number of minorities that come up as not being able to vote. Did it ever occur to these "Einsteins" that maybe, just maybe, they're not citizens and NOT eligible to vote, since they're not citizens, and therefore shouldn't be voting in an American election?

The thought is laughable to me, at least in respect to blacks and many Asians, that once these people, if they're truly citizens would be given a hard time to get their right to vote. I mean, how can someone tell whether a name like "Jim King" or "Thomas Wicker" is white, black, or Asian?

This is so diculous, it's ridiculous.

Maybe this is more than what some think, which is, some people jerking around with the system so that they can always be elected. Perhaps this is people playing around with things so that, one day, if a NAU "vote" is put up, there will be enough people able to vote in favor of American joining a NAU. Much like with Hawai'i gained statehood, there were so many Americans living in the Hawai'i Territory it was almost impossible for it to fail.

www3.signonsandiego.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 6/2/2009 by octotom]

[edit on 2/6/2009 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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You have to wonder why proof of citizenship isnt required for voter registration. Does it not make sense to be sure that the folks voting are US citizens and horror of horror are actually residents in the districts and states they are voting in.

Who benefits from not having verification?



posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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Hmm, well driving license as a requirement could seem a problem, as many poor people will not be able to afford a car, so may not get one, but Social Security seems a good check, every valid citizen has one of those right?



posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by jimminycricket
Hmm, well driving license as a requirement could seem a problem, as many poor people will not be able to afford a car, so may not get one, but Social Security seems a good check, every valid citizen has one of those right?



No, they don't. There's no law saying that a citizen has to have a social security number. The only way citizenship could be proved would be with a birth certificate.



posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
You have to wonder why proof of citizenship isnt required for voter registration. Does it not make sense to be sure that the folks voting are US citizens and horror of horror are actually residents in the districts and states they are voting in.


Well, considering that you don't have to prove you're eligible to be POTUS...


Who benefits from not having verification?


Which party normally has the majority of illegals voting for them? And which party is currently running the Department of Justice?

I think you know.



posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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Ah, thanks, I looked into it a little further, and asked a friend in Kansas, he said he didn't have to pay anything to get an SSN, so it seems to me it would be an acceptable one to ask for, as anyone can get one easily if they are a real citizen.

"The requirements to obtain a social security number for work purposes are that the applicant must be either a citizen of the United States or a permanent U.S. resident (Green Card holder). Immigrants must be able to show that they are authorized to live and work in the United States in order to obtain certain documentation."

www.usimmigrationsupport.org...

As long as that system is working OK (according to that article it is right now, but if some politicians in California get their way, maybe not in the future), I think SSN is an acceptable and non-discriminatory way of checking validity to vote, as it's available to all legals at no cost.



posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
You have to wonder why proof of citizenship isnt required for voter registration. Does it not make sense to be sure that the folks voting are US citizens and horror of horror are actually residents in the districts and states they are voting in.

Who benefits from not having verification?


Simply because the illegals that come from Mexico will continue voting for Socialists, I mean Democrats.

That is the reason why they want to shut down these citizen verification programs, so TPTB can control the country more with the votes of the illegals.

BTW, I remember that a couple years ago the Liberals were claiming that 16 year old children should be able to vote, and they were trying to change the law so 16 year olds could vote, because it is easier for the Liberals to brainwash children.

I wonder what happened with that...

If you don't believe me, here.

www.change.org...

Minors are very easily manipulated, more so since this is around the age when they are still trying to revolt and most minors do things against the voice of reason, which is why TPTB and Liberals want to lower the voting age to allow minors to vote...




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posted on Jun, 2 2009 @ 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by LiquidLight

Originally posted by jimminycricket
Hmm, well driving license as a requirement could seem a problem, as many poor people will not be able to afford a car, so may not get one, but Social Security seems a good check, every valid citizen has one of those right?



No, they don't. There's no law saying that a citizen has to have a social security number. The only way citizenship could be proved would be with a birth certificate.


No law says you must own one, but unless you live in the Appalacian mountains in a homemade cabin on land passed down for the last 100 years. You do have to have it.

Try getting a job, getting credit, getting married or basically function in society without it.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 01:53 AM
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There is no discriminatory effect, their system merely prevents many illegals from illegally voting. We can't have that now can we, certain people may not get re-elected



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 03:20 AM
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But not everyone with a SSN can vote. Only citizens, legal permanent residents can't vote, even though they have their SSN.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 04:13 AM
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Not that a persons vote counts, what with the electoral college.

At least make the public version of 'voting' appear to matter.

This whole administration is so screwed up. When we finally get a common sense dictator back in office to reverse all this BS will take him or her years!

Have you seen anyone except gov't officials side with anything that they've been proposing recently? Oh, you see the liberal media push for Healthcare and other BS programs. When the common sense Libs, Cons and Indies are polled... Guess what, mostly common sense rules.

Yet the 'elected' officials push their agenda in congress ignoring the general population.

This OP is one more non-common sense approach and will silence more of our great nation.

Heads need to roll hard and soon if this keeps up. ("Heads rolling" means they are separate from the hosts body.)

Waiting for the camel's back. As is everyone else?


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posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 05:06 AM
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I guess you guys must have missed the part where they found "the state's voter verification program is frequently inaccurate and has a "discriminatory effect" on minority voters."

In other words, the Georgia State Government (strongly republican) have been using the voter verification system to deny minorities (not illegals) their right to vote. This crap's been going on for years in Georgia.



[edit on 6/3/2009 by mythatsabigprobe]



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 06:19 AM
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No its about the illegals no doubt. I live here and I've never heard a person of color complain about not being able to vote. In fact in my area they are very active and that is the one thing they will do is vote. Maybe 50 yrs ago but certainly not now.
There is a massive illegal population in Georgia and as I've said before the law enforcement here doesnt persue them because they work for the mega farms. Watermelons,onions etc,etc= big business for Georgia. Seems somebody at the fed level wants them to have voting rights,we must shoot this one down.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
I guess you guys must have missed the part where they found "the state's voter verification program is frequently inaccurate and has a "discriminatory effect" on minority voters."

In other words, the Georgia State Government (strongly republican) have been using the voter verification system to deny minorities (not illegals) their right to vote. This crap's been going on for years in Georgia.



[edit on 6/3/2009 by mythatsabigprobe]


specifically HOW can the REPUBLICANS use the voter verification to deny, BLACKS (for example) the right to vote specifically denied on the basis of their being black



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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Not that a persons vote counts, what with the electoral college.

Voting is more than just the president. It is also the Senate, House, State, and Local--all of which a persons vote counts. Also, while it is true that the electoral college technically does choose the president, it is the voter which chooses which slate of electors goes to the electoral college from their state to vote for the president.

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I guess you guys must have missed the part where they found "the state's voter verification program is frequently inaccurate and has a "discriminatory effect" on minority voters."


No, I didn't miss it, in fact, I addressed it. I said, how is it possible that by running a check on a Social Security Number we can tell what someone's race is if the check just determines whether or not that number belongs to a citizen. The process is only "unfair" to that minority group that are called illegal immigrants. That's it. It would happen to that those who deem that it's unfair that only citizens can vote would find the system inaccurate as well.

It only makes sense that only the citizenry should vote. If there is truly a problem with Georgia's, or any other state's, voter registration check, the right thing to do would be to call for the scrapping of the system but instead of leaving it like that, offer a new system to replace it. This doesn't happen though because there are people trying to play games. Using the underprivileged "minority group" known as "undocumented citizens" so that they can continue to get elected.

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But not everyone with a SSN can vote. Only citizens, legal permanent residents can't vote, even though they have their SSN.

That is why they run the Social and check it. The computer is able to see if the number belongs to a citizen or not.

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posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:40 AM
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When I heard about this on the news the two primary objectives were to purge the voter rolls of illegals and dead people. DEAD PEOPLE. How can that be unfair? We all know what party has dead people vote for them... most likely registered by ACORN... and perfected in the POTUS's home city.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
I guess you guys must have missed the part where they found "the state's voter verification program is frequently inaccurate and has a "discriminatory effect" on minority voters."

In other words, the Georgia State Government (strongly republican) have been using the voter verification system to deny minorities (not illegals) their right to vote. This crap's been going on for years in Georgia.



[edit on 6/3/2009 by mythatsabigprobe]


A "discriminatory effect" could mean a lot of things. Please provide more proof of the "crap" that's been going on for years in Georgia.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by haika
But not everyone with a SSN can vote. Only citizens, legal permanent residents can't vote, even though they have their SSN.


Further, you have to get a SSN for an infant when they are born.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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We need a platform! We need to define all the ridiculous notions out there in government right now, then design a platform and run candidates on that common sense platform.

Let's see: Enforce the immigration laws...check. Secure the border...check. Only let "Live" "CITIZENS" vote...check. Spend our tax money on us the tax payers...check. Use U.S. military to defend the U.S. ...check. Uphold the Constitution and stop chipping away at it...check. Stop encumbering the system with thousands of pages of ridiculous new laws...check. Enforce the existing laws...check.

There is a New Mexico sheriff under investigation right now by FBI and Homeland Security for.....oh my god....enforcing immigration laws, and arresting illegals! Pretty much what he was elected to do!



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