Originally posted by dodadoom
The bush supporters cannot believe their guy(hero)would ever be
involved in anything criminal!
So they refuse to even look and resort to name calling. Classic.
These guys are war criminals who authorized invasion and torture.
Isn't that exactly why we claim we went after saddam?
Since there were no WMD's and we have to justify this all somehow.
Who supports a (real) independant investigation?
Certainly not these guys OR their (still duped) supporters!

You make an excellent point. However, I highly doubt Bush was in the loop.
I think he was and is a gullible puppet that was placed in the Oval Office
by people that had the real agenda. He was easy to manipulate with flattery,
false deference, and loved being the big man "Decider."

Darth Cheney is the one that called the shots, as evidenced by his post election media blitz, doing everything he can to justify his actions, and deflect attention from the truth,
that grows more and more obvious every day.

He looks like a man that's afraid the jig is about to be up.

Originally posted by pteridine
Perhaps the OP should define the line for us as it was his mindless post that initiated this discussion.

Why? The people accusing 9/11 truthers of being unpatriotic defined that supposed line already by insinuating with that very accusation that questioning the government was unpatriotic. And in reality, not questioning the government has proven to be the most unpatriotic thing any of you have done because look at the fricken cluster**** we are in. The classic definition of patriotism (which I have already defined once in this thread) is love of one's country. Go figure.

And no it was not my mindless post that initiated this discussion. It was the truly mindless, initial lunacy of the ignorance movement in accusing us of being unpatriotic that initiated this discussion. Otherwise, the OP would never have been made in the second place.

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Originally posted by Angus123
I highly doubt Bush was in the loop. Darth Cheney is the one that called the shots

Although Cheney was really the president, Bush was in the loop. Yes, he was a puppet, but still in the loop. You look at his face after he's told that America is under attack. He has a guilty, but scared look on his face. And he sits there and sits there while America is under attack.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
You are right, there are no professional quals required to post here. However, if you are going to start offering an uninformed opinion as a fact ... you might want to be ready to back it up. Which you, appearantly, are not.

Similarly, Swampfox, the uninformed opinion that you offered about WTC 7 sagging and threatening to collapse all afternoon, has not been backed up.

You made that claim, pages ago, in this thread and you chose not to use the patriotic NIST report that was written by paid, patriotic professionals to show us all that it was true.

Again, Swampfox fails to walk his own talk.

bin laden was dead 8 years ago. thats done with.

it shocks me that with the amount of people that have come out and said the 9/11 report was clearly false information that people still wont wake up

#in walter mondale, former vice president even said it. TONS of people

700 architects and engineers!!

many of the "alleged hijackers" are STILL ALIVE in saudi arabia. they've been interviewed!!

but no one does anything..and i highly doubt they will until its to late

i personally think its already too late


and i definetly agree that its practically treason to not DEMAND an investigation into this. every us citizen who ignores this # is guilty. you cant just take information as you hear it mainstream. you have to search out, check numerous sources, research things on your OWN.



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Patriotic....unpatriotic...does it matter? In the end, we all want the truth, but as our two party system has falters us in Washington, I feel the same cancer has gripped those who are not directly accusing their government but simply want to know more.

That is Patriotic. To believe in ones country, not their government, and to seek out the truth whenever doubt presents itself. That is how this country was founded.

In the case of 9/11, there cannot only be two sides or the 'truth' will never be found. It is time to search not for the conspiracy but for the truth. We all know the stories. We should all the arguments. What we all do not have is the facts.

If I, as someone who believes that terrorists acting under a blessing from OBL, hijacked 4 airliners and hit the towers. I do not believe in explosives but I do believe what shot down 93. I do not think the Bush adminstration had anything to do with the planning but I do feel that the Clinton administration did not provide the correct intel to the incoming administration and there was housecleaning instead of cooperation that led to the cells not being properly identified and stopped. That is why DHS was and is needed.

I am patriotic because I believe in my country. How about this...why do we not start the "Truth or Ignorance" movement. Work together to raise the money and acquire what is needed to perform the tests. Flood our congressmen and women with emails and letters that request them to match our funds for research. The Obama adminstration recently for the first time as a sitting president admitted we overthrew Iran so I am sure through the FIA we could acquire any documentation that we want.

We are not ignorant because on both sides we are informed and we all seek the Truth...even if in the end it does not go along with our belief system.