Are 9/11 Official Story Proponents Really the Unpatriotic?, page 12

reply to post by tezzajw

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We might just have to write a new entry in Websters for the term "patriot." The "Tezz" definition. Gonna start calling you "Patriot TAct Tezz."

reply to post by tezzajw

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Wrongo again tezzie. I gave links to the reports I used. You failed to research them.

reply to post by impressme

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Here you go, George Bush's military records straight from the DoD.

www.dod.mil...

Of course its a government site, so I doubt you will accept these either

reply to post by impressme

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I definitely wouldnt rely on Youtube wannabe architects, philosophy professors, or men who claim to have "magic" dust from Ground Zero.

reply to post by impressme

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I may have gotten my fact wrong, however it still does not make me ignorant now dose it.

You use lies to attack someone, when the facts are easily available......

reply to post by Taxi-Driver

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Thank you Taxi-Driver for your two cents worth. Any more government loyalists want to bare their souls and lay down some more good old propaganda without evidence?

Originally posted by SPreston
reply to post by Taxi-Driver

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Thank you Taxi-Driver for your two cents worth. Any more government loyalists want to bare their souls and lay down some more good old propaganda without evidence?

Funny thing is I am not a Government loyalist, Bubba Gump.

I have been keen on identifying propaganda far before 9/11.

Here is a little diddy I wrote prior to 9/11 -- it isn't exactly supporting the Government propaganda now is it!?!

" It was a simpler time, a more trying time in the history of the United States of America. The year was 1876 and the nation was attempting to recover from the bloodiest war in its brief history. In the southern states, blue clad union soldiers still held their wartime power and used it to police the citizens. A strong military presence was felt throughout the south on an everyday basis; a similar scene to what today could be compared to any number of unstable, militarized Central and South American countries. 1876 was an election year, and the presidential race was a close one, what separates this election from other close races was the strong presence of the military at the polls, and assisting with decisions rendered by the Electoral College. Once a hotly debated and negotiated Presidential winner was determined, the Congress of the United States was compelled to end future military involvement in civilian matters. In 1878 the Posse Comitatus Act was passed into law. The Act prohibits the use of military rule and troops for domestic law-enforcement purposes as well as restricts the military from involvement in civilian decision making processes with overly political and partisan roles (Anderson, 2001).
The Posse Comitatus Act isn’t without some loopholes, and with revisions to the act throughout the last century, those loopholes have become even more accommodating for civilian law enforcement’s requests for military assistance; none more than the “drug law exception” (Kopel & Blackman, 1997). This provision was added to the Posse Comitatus Act in the early 1980’s following President Reagan’s declaration of a war on drugs; it allowed civilian law enforcement agencies to procure the aid of the military, free of charge, for actions taken against a drug nexus. Prior to the drug law exception the costs alone would make enlisting military assistance a prohibitive endeavor for most law enforcement organizations. The exploitation of the Posse Comitatus Act’s loopholes has already had a catastrophic impact on the lives and well-being of some American citizens. The most striking example of this would be the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) and Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) siege on the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas in the spring of 1993. The tactics and resources employed by these civilian law enforcement agencies blurred the line of government policy, and could prove disastrous again if left unchecked.
Serious flaws plagued the BATF’s planning and execution of their ill-fated raid on the Mount Carmel Center, February 28th, 1993. In the spring of 1992 the BATF began investigations on the Branch Davidians in Waco. Their probe revealed the delivery of empty grenade hulls, devices for converting semi-automatic weapons into automatics, receipts showing the purchase other arms, ammunition, as well as powered aluminum, and black gun powder that could possibly be fashioned to create grenades (Hall, 2003). With proper licensing the stock piling of weapons would be legal, however, David Koresh, the leader and pastor of the Branch Davidian Church, had not followed the proper steps required to posses all the arms (Hall, 2003).
It is believed that the Branch Davidians began their interest in, and subsequent stockpiling of weapons for monetary purposes. The Davidians bought, sold, and traded firearms at area gun shows as dealers (Hall, 2003). When the presence of large quantities of arms was combined with the Davidian’s intense focus on the Biblical book of Revelations, and Koresh’s interpretation that the evils of the world were to be bringing war to Mount Carmel’s doorstep; the Davidians began stockpiling more than weapons. They stockpiled food, water and made preparations for an eminent attack (Hall, 2003).
Perhaps this combination of weaponry and religious philosophy is what the BATF found disturbing enough to mount a raid of the magnitude in which they did. The BATF’s approach was a stark contrast to the precedents set by local police, who has just knocked on the front door at Mount Carmel and entered the center without any conflict at all (Easterbrook, 1999). According to Kay Kubicki, a former BATF agent who has served on the counsel of the National Association of Treasury Agents, who reflects back on the BATF executive decisions as: “Waco was a need (for the BATF) to look pretty (Kubicki cited in Larson, 1995).” Agent Kubicki’s ironic revelation could be a more accurate explanation of why the BATF was so compelled to conduct an operation of the magnitude they did, just to serve a search warrant on a community with no prior adversarial confrontations with law enforcement. An operation that’s planning was so preoccupied with political appearances that BATF leadership fabricated allegations of drug involvement, breached the laws of the states of Texas and Alabama, disregarded constitutional statutes, stretched the loopholes of the Posse Comitatus Act, and most importantly gave very little consideration to the welfare of innocent children within the Mount Carmel Center (Kopel & Blackmon, 1997).
The BATF made allegations of a drug nexus at Mount Carmel, in the form of an on-site, operational, methamphetamine laboratory. The BATF had no contemporaneous evidence to support this claim, nor was there any mention of drug law violations on either of the two search warrants obtained by the BATF in regards to their Branch Davidian operation (Kopel & Blackman, 1997). Furthermore, the strategies used to take down a methamphetamine lab are vastly different than the ones used by the BATF on February 28th or by the FBI on April 19th 1993. As Kopel and Blackmon state:
Had BATF actually been planning to take down a methamphetamine lab, its plans would have been far different. Testimony at the 1995 congressional hearings indicated the potential dangers of an

reply to post by SPreston

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Taxi-Driver's post was worth .02? My, inflation really IS hitting us hard!

If that wasn't total, intentional derailment of 9/11 truth movement- and derailment of this thread- I don't know what is.

A review of Swamp's posts in here will also reveal total, intentional thread derailment- completely off-topic posts meant to take attention away from the issue at hand. And it worked- look at how many other people he sucked in to responding.

Every second people like this divert our attention from the evidence is one more second of time they get for themselves in impeding a real investigation.

I suppose the GL's just simply cannot handle being called unpatriotic, when they have been calling us that for years. If they can't handle it, then don't dish it out. The thing is, their reasoning behind why we would be unpatriotic is that we are not toting the government line- which to me is pretty unreasonable.

reply to post by TrueAmerican

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Gee Im sorry, did not realize you were so thin skinned. You posted your rant, calling a bunch of the US military, unpatriotic..so I invited you to come to our base for a chat.

Then, a couple posters attacked me directly....talk to them about derailing your thread.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

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You use lies to attack someone, when the facts are easily available......

Really, what lies have I told? (Oh, there is none!) Looks like your ship is sinking all you have to do is except the truth or you will drown.

Try and answer one question for me ok, If you felt that a part of your government was involved in a treasonous act and maybe responsible for thousands of American death and the evidences was stacking up against certain members of our government wouldn’t you want these people held accountable for their actions?

I ask you a question why don’t you answer it.

Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

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Swampfox, your base is brainwashed, or unwilling to see the truth in these circumstances. While I can see why you think this way, unfortunately I believe you will be proved incorrect in the long run (if any of the evidence presented on this website I believe already has)

Just stating an opinion, not being hostile (you would prob. kick my ***) lol

[edit on 29-5-2009 by GreenBicMan]

Hmmmm thinking violence first. Seems he wants to kick somebody's ass...which implies ignorance which implies his base could have been taught ignorant tendencies which could apply to all our armed forces.......

They believe what their leaders and gov tells them because they have been programmed to without them even knowing........It's not their fault that the gov and military are so damn good at using this manipulation.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

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You posted your rant, calling a bunch of the US military, unpatriotic..so I invited you to come to our base for a chat.

Look who is calling someone’s post a rant! Pot calling kettle.

reply to post by impressme

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let me remind you that Bush, your hero, went AWOL from the Air Force.

This is two lies for the price of one.

1. Former President Bush is not now, nor has he ever been one of my heroes.

2. As I pointed out to you earlier, he was never once AWOL.

Those are lies.

reply to post by impressme

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Except for one thing, the so-called evidence you think is stacking up...isnt evidence, nor would be admissable in court.

Now, if you have audio/video/documents that would connect people to what happened that day (other than politicians with their heads up their tushes) that would be different.

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