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reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 11:18 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by JacKatMtn



May I ask what you mean by that comment?

Can't you people tell that I'm just trying to expose the hypocrisy of the abortion debate?

I'm not trying to bait Republicans and get them all upset with an extreme view. I'm just trying to challenge their views.

[edit on 19-5-2009 by Frankidealist35]


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 11:24 PM by defcon5
As Flyers Fan already touched on, it comes down to a difference between a Government executing something and a individual doing the same thing. God gives authority to a Government to do certain things, including fight a just war, and justly perform capital punishment. The difference is between “Killing” and “Murdering”, if you look at a modern translation of the Bible:

Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.”


It cannot be a decision by an individual to take a life, but rather by a government acting in a just fashion:


"For capital punishment to be right, the guilty person would have to be convicted of a real crime in a fair trial, and the punishment would have to be fitting. Both the trial and the punishment would have to be carried out by public authority rather than private vigilantes. Even then it might be better to avoid capital punishment, if there were another way to punish the criminal and to keep him from doing further harm."

God ordered the death penalty for numerous crimes (Exodus 21:12, 15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:11). So, God is not against killing in all circumstances, but only murder. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it is a necessary thing. In a world filled with sinful people (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Sometimes the only way to keep sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent is by going to war.

In the Old Testament, God ordered the Israelites to: “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites” (Numbers 31:2). Deuteronomy 20:16-17 declares, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them…as the LORD your God has commanded you.” Also, 1 Samuel 15:18 says, “Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.” Obviously God is not against all war. Jesus is always in perfect agreement with the Father (John 10:30), so we cannot argue that war was only God’s will in the Old Testament. God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17).


I hope this helps.


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 11:26 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by defcon5


Well I don't believe in God or the bible. I'm more of a spiritual kind of person and I don't think there is any supreme being. There is no difference between one human killing another human who is able to defend themselves or one who is defenseless. You're being a murderer all the same. If it's not just it's even worse.



reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 11:32 PM by defcon5
reply to post by Frankidealist35


That may be your view on things, but you asked why it’s that way with the Republicans. Republicans tend to be conservative Christians, by majority, I believe. This is why they allow one thing and not the other.


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 11:58 PM by badgerprints
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to
post by groingrinder



Wars may ensure big corporations profit but it kills millions of REAL LIVES.

Abortion only kills the unborn.

War kills real people.


Wars kill real people.
Wars kill REAL people?

Babies aren't real people?

Really?

Before, I was baiting you a bit, because I believed that you were being disingenuous to get a good debate going. Playing devils advocate . It offended you and I apoligize for that. (My post was removed by mod. befor I edited it to reflect that)

I just realized that you actually believe this.

Do you think that somebody who wouldn't murder a baby before it is born is showing a weakness by not doing so? Do you think that somebody who refuses to murder unborn children has a problem because these babies are not "real people" and should not be treated as such?

Do you actually think that those same people wouldn't fight to defend the rights of others or to defend their own?

I used to be a republican but cannot reconcile their direction with my beliefs, but I do understand their ideals and intentions. I was a soldier for eight years. I was in the first gulf war when we removed Saddam from Kuwait. I supported that war. I also believe that abortion is murder.
I don't like the idea of killing. I'd much rather keep the peace but sometimes war is necessary. I've got to tell you I don't remember a lot of innocent Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait. They were enemy combatants killing Kuwati citizens. That's why we went in there.

I am also very confident that all babies are innocent. And guess what, contrary to what you seem to think, babies are people. Born and unborn.

Your point of hypocrisy is possibly valid for some of the most extreme peoples views but your logic ie - everybody killed in war is innocent and unborn babies are not real people is pretty offensive in its own right.

Sorry if my extreme views offend you.





[edit on 20-5-2009 by badgerprints]


reply posted on 21-5-2009 @ 11:04 AM by DohBama
reply to post by desert



murder has also always been around.

should some judge rule that murder is now a 'constitutional right' and be protected and safe for murderers to persue their happiness?

should the victims of this persuit have no voice to defend themselves with?

say, why not put abortion to a vote?

why do pro-abortion types pretend that killing unborn human life i anything but just that?

killing a living human?

you mean we cannot 'choose' on the abortion issue after all?

let the people decide, this is a democracy after all, isnt it?

not killing the mot vulnerable humans is the issue. not god, not making women have more babies, etc...

abortion for convenience dwarfs the so called 'health risk' pregnancies, yet they're the ones always brought up when abortion is challenged....

deception, lies and manipulation.

humans killed as sacrifice on the altar of liberal doctrine.

its about the political power, not womens 'health'.



reply posted on 21-5-2009 @ 05:25 PM by LucidDreamer85
Originally posted by DohBama
Originally posted by breakingdradles
That's a good point!

Just as liberals have a size limit on animals that have souls and shouldn't be killed, the conservatives have an age limit on who can be killed.

Isn't the whole anti-abortion stance to stop taking a living soul?

[edit on 18-5-2009 by breakingdradles]


no, anti-abortion is to end the killing of innocent human life, for the sake of convenience.

it has nothing to do with religion or the concept of a 'soul'.

additionally, defending ones country is another thing entirely.

killing a threat to our own citizens by terminating the raping murderers preying among us is also, another thing entirely.

everyone up to speed now?



When is the last time we were actually defending our country ? Pearl Harbor ?


We are occupying space in a land not ours. If another country came in with the same idea that that are just protecting their country and they start coming into our houses and taking who they please. killing whoever innocent or guilty , would that not be the same thing??


We are not defending our country.........We are on the offensive.......

There is no army or terrorist at our borders trying to invade our country and take it over.....

We are in their country doing that to them,,,we forced their gov to change.......We use their land regardless if they want us to or not.......


How many Americans die from terrorists every year? Not many

How many die from the Flu ?

How many die from cancer ?

How many die from Swine Flu ?

How many die from HIV and or AIDS ?

How many die from getting hit by cars ?


Scare Tactics.... The GOP can S a big ol D.


I don't believe in parties either. I'm neither liberal or dem or repub. I am me and my views are unique to me and me alone....Just like everyone else.


reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 03:17 AM by spellbound
reply to post by Wertdagf



This makes me so angry. A lot of people who call themselves Christians are the opposite - mainly the most powerful, rich and selfish people.

Christ had a bad press when He was on earth and He continues to have a bad press.

It is totally hypocritical to back war and oppose abortion.

Let's kill everyone, or let's not kill anyone - that is the decision everyone needs to make.
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