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Originally posted by mmiichael
...All people have a running dialogue with their unconscious self. They also talk with themselves at different stages in their life or different sides of their nature.
Sometimes the variant personal entities become so distinct they even assume distinct names and histories...
"Creatures from Inner Space" by Stan Gooch
1984, Rider & Company, London, UK.
Stan Gooch analyzes many traditional elements of the paranormal including sleep nightmares such as the incubus and succubus demons, demons and entities, poltergeists, paranormal fire including spontaneous combustion, automatic and trance writing, backwards writing, past lives, hypnosis, stigmata, mediums and discarnate spirits of all kinds. In addition to this list of "unknowns" is added a chapter on multiple personalities, mental disorder, left handedness, the biology of consciousness and the subconscious and throughout the book the general trend is to uncover the psychological causes of these phenomenon.
All of these phenomenon are tracked by Stan Gooch to their psychological causes: Human beings are "haunted from within". Evidence of poltergeists, ghosts and all things that go bump in the night is analyzed and the single thread that combines and explains them all is human psychology.
But Stan does not take this type of reductionism too far. His conclusions are not that all these phenomenon are delusions, but that the phenomenon are real. They are very literally created by human psychology; not as an internal symptom of dysfunction but as an external one.
He ties together mediumship (talking to 'dead' spirits), possessions, automatic writing and explorations of past lives and views them all as the same type of psychosis; in all cases mistakes, English and subjective facts uncover the underlying fact that all such things arise from the subconscious and not from external supernatural sources.
His psychology is sound and careful and his analysis of these phenomenon shows some genuine research. He shows that stigmata victims often receive wounds on themselves where they think the wounds should be, not indeed where religious martyrs were actually wounded. So, for example, Christian mystics suffer stigmata on the palms of their hands even though Jesus would have been nailed through his wrists, just like everyone else. The same psychosomatic wounds can appear as a result of hypnosis, etc, and Stan Gooch ties together all these various paranormal events into a solid psychological theory.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
BUT BUT BUT....do you not see where this topic led to???
I did respond back to you that 'yes' there is no evidence of any one disappearing because for those that just read the title and jumped to the last page, I felt they needed to know that no one is assuming anyone is disappearing. I think it would be a great friendly reminder to post every few pages that there is no evidence directly relating disappearing vegetarians to the masses amounts of comments made here. There is alot of great info in this thread and I think everyone has gotten over the veggie thing and disappearing stuff and carried on a great topic here.
So why not comment about what seems to be the topic at hand....alot of people are hearing voices it seems.
I dont do the webbot thing either...but I have no issue with that either being in the OP. I posted what resonated with me or what pertained to me, how I could relate and to what I related to and what I didnt...and that is that, ya know.
Who cares about all the flags and stars....a thread that gets SOOO many comments and responses that pretty much sifted in their own little direction of a topic deserves stars and flags.
Just for the simple fact that this thread got newbies to sign up, many people to share something that they have NEVER shared, many people talking about a phenomenon with others that they probably dont get to talk much with others about...deserves flagged and starred really.
I do see where it led. I cannot state how many people are truly hearing voices. I will say i find it highly suspicious.
Originally posted by Republican08
Sorry to be ignorant, but I really am stressed for time lately.
So quick question, is there any validity to this OP at all. I read up there somewhere that there is no evidence at all.
That got me thinking whats this for?
No harshness intended just curious and stressed for time so no beating around the bush for me.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
I think we are seeing some people here that are really hearing a outside voice. This might just be my assumptions but I do feel that there is more to it for some of these posters.
What I read still states that the voice IS coming from inside the mind but only SEEMS to be outside. I am in doubt that this is the case for all of these responses. I guess I would have to experience it to believe it kinda. To say all of these posters only 'think' they heard it outside of themselves is pushing it a little I think...but that is just an opinion which Im still sifting.
Now mabey....if someone is not very in tune with their self and consciousness and there is a inner self that is wanting to speak to the self about something....( I know to others this may sound strange) then mabey a name calling would be assumed to be outside...it must be, it has to be, outside of me kind of thought. MABEY
Mabey I am just more open minded to such things being a 'actual' voice coming from somewhere besides the self. Not to say it is NOT the self in another dimension or time line...more so, that is what I am saying. Sense my partner see's another me sometimes and I do believe in other dimensions parallel to our own, mabey I have a hard time sticking to the idea that it is all in the mind.
I deeply fell that a higher self of me helps guide me, I dont hear a voice, but I receive vibes or synchronicity that when I pa attention or follow, seems to show me something.
Even though I love studying the mind, sadly, the study is full of many theories, trying to explain what we dont understand about our world, our reactions, our ways of coping and adjusting and how the mind works. Even though it is my study, I am the odd ball of the class always pointing out...its just a theory.
I read that the same part of the brain that deals with 'self conversations' such as reciting a poem to ones self silently is the same part of the brain that lights up when a person says they hear a voice. So mabey there is more to this ....
Mabey the other dimensions are in the mind too...mabey we are creating more then what we can understand.
Originally posted by jtma508
Unfortunately, this phenomenon is not new. It is alien related. 'Cattle mutilations' are the result of alien research to identify and remove certain proteins from animals we consume (by genetically modifying them). The aliens are making genetic modifications and then 're-sampling' progeny to see if the 'offending' proteins are disappearing.
When we eat meat these proteins remain in our bodies as well. Over time they build-up and are toxic to aliens. The reason only vegans are hearing 'The Voice' is because the aliens can only consume humans who are vegans and therefore are free from these meat-related, toxic proteins. They're working on removing them so that the entire human race can be a food source (as they had originally intended) but it will take some time.
In the meantime they'll just continue to harvest vegans.
and I never saw anyone trying to prove anyone was disappearing. It stated a question, a wondering, a curiosity...
Dimensional Portals Opening?
Vegetarians Disappearing After Hearing Voices?
Are you hearing Voices?
Some responded to the idea of other dimensions
Some posted response to being a vegetarian and having strange experiences (or not)
Some (many) posted about hearing a 'voice' or 'voices'
That is what I saw, just saying
My best to ya