A380 Break-Even Point Likely To Slip Further to 2020, page 2

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Here ya go sport:

www.google.com...


Be assured, the components in question cross over so you decide what merit there is, kkthx.


[edit on 10-6-2009 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by kilcoo316
The lines linking Boeing to the US govt are much more blurred than Airbus and the EU... that does not mean they do not exist.

Please. One of the functions of government is basic research and development functions.

Take say Galileo which as it stands is exactly the same thing you are accusing Boeing of getting but who is it benifiting? Yep ESA and ding ding ding:

Alcatel Alenia Space and Thales (France), Finmeccanica (Italy), EADS Astrium (UK and Germany) and Galileo Sistemas y Servicios (a consortium of seven Spanish companies).en.wikipedia.org...

European Satellite Navigation Industries is that anything like Europrop?

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you could be right - since the ones in use are made by BF Goodrich - get rid of that american `crap`

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Yawn sorry I was thinking about toast......You can keep saying it but it does not change the fact that:

Once again you skirt the issue. is but one example of a GOVERNMENT spending R&D dollars that will over time benifit a private sector industry.

Its funny, its okay in the EU but not in the US? Hello pot its the kettle........ your black! and of course

And why do you keep bringing up Bush and US deployments? Last I looked it was hardly germain to the topic eh?



[edit on 6/12/09 by FredT]

Originally posted by FredT
Once again you skirt the issue. is but one example of a GOVERNMENT spending R&D dollars that will over time benifit a private sector industry.

One example?

The whole thing is around R&D dollars!

Boeing get a sh*t-load more R&D monies through NASA than Airbus get through the DLR or ONERA.




OK, go google the following (and these are just off the top of my head)

Some of NASA's fundamental R&D programs which deeply involve US aerospace companies (i.e. that is direct knowledge they can use in any subsequent decisions they make):

Separate Flow Nozzle Tests (SFNT)
Quiet Turbofan Demonstrator (QTD)
QTD2
Advanced Ducted Propulsor (ADP)
Energy Efficient Engine (EEE)
Advanced Composite Technology (ACT)

Now. All that is long term research, been there, done that.

Boeing have been funded for, say, the C-17 composite tail refit, or the V-22 Osprey wings.

So there are grants for both the fundamental research and the process of converting R&D technologies to a position where they can be manufactured for commerical aircraft.




European equivalents of fundamental research are:

Environmentally Friendly Engine (EFE)
Silent Engine Core Research [or something like that] SILENCE(R)
GLARE developed at TU Delft under EU grants

Trust me, from experience, these programs are much smaller than the ones NASA does a great job of running.

While European equivalents of the C-17 or V-22 would be the A400M or the A350 (with inherent technology demonstrator programs).


Here is a document I stumbled across 5 mins ago:
***PDF***

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As does Lockmart, NG etc. How much does the US spend on R&D versus the EU? Is it even close? You will also note that BAE gets research and development $$$ from the US government too.

Again spending R&D dollars for basic and not so basic research is a function of government period. The fact that the EU perhaps spends less should not force the US to meet the $ for $

So again as I have said so many times. Government spend money to promote R&D. Some more, some less. Its a simple fact. You dont thing the Ariane space system relied on no R&D spending from the various government did it? Same with the Galileo Space System. Or how about the composite wing for the A400? Im sure that research will go towards the future narrowbody Airbus is producing?

What you keep saying is that its okay for the EU to do it but the US somehow is bad based on the actions fo the Bush administration

Now launch aid? Loans, outright gifts (Take Hamburg for example) that a whole different kettle of wax.

[edit on 6/13/09 by FredT]

£28m investment at Airbus factory
news.bbc.co.uk...

"Its a grant" *cough* Spin away Right right Im sure its all easily explained

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