Prince of Anarchy, Obamas true agenda

Originally posted by billybob65
your right my friend, obama will constrict the American population.
he never said what change they fight for, or who they will stop.
the answers are these, the change is the change of government into a totalitarian regime, and the people they are resisting, are the citizens that refuse to be slaves!



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We blindly chanted for change without being told exactly what kind of change would be coming.

And the changes that have happened, are not what we thought they were going to be.

I was all for Obama at first, even though I chose not to vote for anyone i supposrted him more than McCain, but what has happened over these 100 days is just not cool.

He knew what was going to happen, Biden warned use about this back in December, so if the V.P. knows, then so does the President.

He knew all of this change would be happening the way it has and he did not tell us or warn us, it was just simply implemented into our everyday culture.


My thoughts are that they ( maybe TPTB) have until around 2012-2013 do gain as much control over us as posible because when the et's get here and tell us the truth about what has been going on, they will all be outed, but if they can gain control over us and force us to reject the aliens ( probably get us to fear them ) then they fel they have a chance to change destiny.

Another theory is that they are playing the role of bad guy for something that happened in the past and the time will come soon when we can all be one again.

Sorry for getting off topic but I thought it applied to the prez and his ways of doing things.

Originally posted by heliosprime
Enter Obama, sweeping on the american political landscape like a spring storm. Screaming "Hope and Change". Yet 66 million of the electorate did not vote for him. Their values and convictions differing sharply from Obama's.

And yet the majority did vote for him. He is neither expected nor required to work with any part of the hardcore, right-wing fringe that has a vitriolic hatred of his policies. The American electoral system doesn't partition out vote percentages, it's an all or nothing thing.

Within a short 100 days obama has set into motion what many of those 66 million see as extreme radical ideas. He has taken over private industry (banks, GM, Chrysler) beginning the take over of health care, spending trillions of future tax income for generations, bowing to saudi princes, appologizing for just about everything america has ever done in the world. He's pushing forth a global warming agenda that many KNOW is false. He is seeking backdoor gun bans through international treatys. Has created abject FEAR in many of the 66 million and beyond of how fast he is moving. He is openly speaking to many long time enemies of america as if they were allies.

The bailouts suck. We all know this. Unfortunately, the government had few fast options to deal with the crisis, and the one proven way to end a recession/depression is to enact massive government spending. Whether that be in domestic programs or foreign wars, the government has to spend to pick the nation up out of a recession. His healthcare program was one of his campaign promises, so no one should be shocked he's pushing for it.

I believe we've all seen from Bush's style of 'diplomacy' that we get nowhere. Exactly what problems did the Bush administration solve through diplomacy? Exactly what did they do to America's global image? These nations hate us because we let them. When we offer an olive branch, suddenly they don't have the ammo to brand America the Great Satan anymore.

Or is obama marching toward tyranny? Can he through all these many actions create such a climate of hate, fear and anger that there will be open rebellion? Can he create enough anarchy to declare himself "dictator" to save amreica from another civil war?

The left is already promoting the idea that a civil war will be led somehow by the republican party and "redneck bubba's"...

This same line was used ad nauseum during the Clinton years, and hardcore right-wingers loves to play-up the big-bad Commie boogeyman card. The globe is moving left, and I'm sorry to tell you this, but with each passing generation of humanity, and with each year the globe becomes more connected...isolationist, Conservative "moral majority" ideas begin to fade out. If you could also source for me an article in the MSM or any left-leaning sight like Huffington that characterizes rebel rousers as hicks, please do, because as far as I know the only people chomping at the bit for war are wannabe Revolutionary patriots that have some romantic notion of returning to 19th century government through some bloody civil war.

Obama knows all too well that real american governmental process are too slow for him to rise to total global power if left to normal channels. All that he is doing is to creat total anarchy so the "people" just as they did in ancient rome will declare Obama......"dictator" for life..............

I'm sorry, but once again if you could please find a previous source from you or the author that raises issues with Bush Administration policies that enacted far more Caesar-esque policies than Obama has ever done, then I will believe that this is little more than another addition to the litany of Obama attack threads.

It's interesting to me that people promoting this agenda constantly point out "this isn't a Republican/Democrat issue because everyone's mad at Obama and he's leading us to domestic war bla bla etc."...however, I have yet to see one thread of dissent towards policies of Republican law makers that co-author, supported, or will support many of the policies Obama promotes.

Any failure or anger on the part of this "civil war" group should be directed inwardly. If they are the real silent majority, it's only their fault that they were too complacent to stay silent and watch as an energized and active group of leftists and moderates decided to democratically take the reigns of American government.

The left's solution for being displaced in government: grass roots campaigns, protests, party reinvention, voter drives.

The right's solution for being displaced in government: get so angry at the left that you circulate military rebellion and civil war.

Interesting.

Originally posted by Avenginggecko

The left's solution for being displaced in government: grass roots campaigns, protests, party reinvention, voter drives.

The right's solution for being displaced in government: get so angry at the left that you circulate military rebellion and civil war.

Interesting.

As ussual you ignore actual history, errr.....in the 1960's there was much violence, bombings, riots, all caused by the "left"....seem to remember a close friend of Obama was one of those bombers. The "black panthers" killed police. Other "liberation armies" robbed banks.........

As far as "voter" drives for the left.....you mean "acorn"? Your grass roots is very similar to what "lenin" did around 1917, and then there was stalin, mao, pol pot...Obama is moving faster that any of them...

Lets not forget the greatest "organizer" of all time, dear adolf, who got his start as a grass roots organizer for the NAZI party.........history....or america's near future?

Originally posted by heliosprime
As ussual you ignore actual history, errr.....in the 1960's there was much violence, bombings, riots, all caused by the "left"

There have been bombings and attacks and riots by both sides of the line. The thing is the far rights outright support fo segregation, less rights for american citizens based on their skin color, you seem to be cherry picking history my friend, and as usual you go on about "non partisanship" and yet your full of it, just like the rest.

seem to remember a close friend of Obama was one of those bombers.

Ayers was a guy Obama met at a gathering and happen to be in the same comittee during that one time. Out of that time Ayers had no business with Obama and so forth. This is a pathetic attempt to make out as some brief introduct with somebody, at one time, with this "somebody" who did something over 40 years ago. Get off it.

The "black panthers" killed police.

And what the hell is your point? So have the KKK, so have far right religious groups, both sides. Where the heck did anybody justify any of this for any side? Why are you once again cherry picking left groups? This isnt a democrat republican thing? Why the heck are you cherry picking history again?

The garbage doesnt fly.

you mean "acorn"?

Oh yes here we go about Acorn. You mean acorn that reported voter fraud to the media themselves before anybody knew and gave a damn. The same acorn to which the right love to parade around as attempting voter fraud, yet no proof that any of those fake votes got through, and nobody knew prior to Acorn stating anything.

How about the voting issues in Ohio back in 04'? No but once again your cherry picking history.

Originally posted by heliosprime
Lets not forget the greatest "organizer" of all time, dear adolf, who got his start as a grass roots organizer for the NAZI party.........history....or america's near future?

You know, there're organizers on both sides of the aisle and they are largely responsible for raising campaign money. When they hear people mock them, it makes them angry. If the GOP-wing of politics continues to mock and annoy the people who raise their campaign money and organize the campaigns themselves then they are never going to win another election again.

There were "community organizers" at the Republican National Convention who were very angered by the remarks of the speakers.

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Originally posted by heliosprime

Originally posted by Avenginggecko

The left's solution for being displaced in government: grass roots campaigns, protests, party reinvention, voter drives.

The right's solution for being displaced in government: get so angry at the left that you circulate military rebellion and civil war.

Interesting.

As ussual you ignore actual history, errr.....in the 1960's there was much violence, bombings, riots, all caused by the "left"....seem to remember a close friend of Obama was one of those bombers. The "black panthers" killed police. Other "liberation armies" robbed banks.........

And you know what? All of that violence wasn't supported by the majority. They were fringe groups.

As far as "voter" drives for the left.....you mean "acorn"? Your grass roots is very similar to what "lenin" did around 1917, and then there was stalin, mao, pol pot...Obama is moving faster that any of them...

Did I ever say ACORN, or are you just trying to bait me? ACORN was not the sole, nor the primary factor in Democratic vote drives. I'd ask you to actually stick with facts and address the post rather than put words in people's mouths to try and divert the topic.

And please, get over the whole Communist thing, it's really tiring and completely transparent.

Your attempt to brand Obama in the same category as genocidal Hitler and the Communist mass murderers is completely uncalled for and shows just how much you really know about history.

I find it especially funny that you link him with Hitler and apparently have no idea how Hitler got in to power, what support groups placed him there, and what the Weimar Republic was to Germany back then. I suggest you Google it. You might be surprised, because from the viewpoint of anyone who knows history, you would not have been with the Weimar Republic

I also noticed you failed to produce any evidence or even counter my questions raised in the OP. Would that be because you are unable to source anything or even show a modicum of bipartisanship? Thought so.

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
I find it especially funny that you link him with Hitler and apparently have no idea how Hitler got in to power, what support groups placed him there, and what the Weimar Republic was to Germany back then. I suggest you Google it. You might be surprised, because from the viewpoint of anyone who knows history, you would not have been with the Weimar Republic

I also noticed you failed to produce any evidence or even counter my questions raised in the OP. Would that be because you are unable to source anything or even show a modicum of bipartisanship? Thought so.

As part of his duties, Hitler also was asked to spy on certain local political groups, and during a meeting of the German Workers' Party, became so incensed by one of the speeches that he uncorked a fierce harangue at the speaker. The party's founder, Anion Drexler, was so impressed by Hitler's tirade that he asked him to join their organization. Hitler, after some thought, finally agreed in September 1919. He was eventually given responsibility for publicity and propaganda. His oratory succeeded in attracting larger and larger audiences and party donations. The party's name was changed to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NAZI) on April 1, 1920.

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Illinois State Senator Barack Obama gave this address on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 before the Democratic National Convention. The son of an African goat herder and a white mother from Kansas delivered this rousing keynote address that heralded him as one of his party's fastest rising stars. He later won the election to represent Illinois in the Senate. This speech was considered one of the greatest given at a Democratic Convention

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Well looking at these two accounts of history, they sound pretty similar...

Both have big moutns to sway the ignorant into thier built up to absolute power..

Obama has acorn as his power base along with unions like SEIU. Hitler had the brown shirts...

Both took power in an economic crisis.......

Both are making radical changes to the previous government......

Sounds pretty similar to me......

Originally posted by Avenginggecko

Did I ever say ACORN, or are you just trying to bait me? ACORN was not the sole, nor the primary factor in Democratic vote drives. I'd ask you to actually stick with facts and address the post rather than put words in people's mouths to try and divert the topic.

Here are some actual facts about acorn...

While we don't yet know what's really going on, we do know these ACORN affiliates have powerful friends, like the SEIU — the Service Employees International Union. Actually, they're even more than friends; they're swapping so much spit they're riddled with mono.

The head of ACORN, Wade Rathke, is the founder and chief organizer of SEIU, which donated $33 million to President Obama's campaign last year. We also know that the place the main ACORN affiliate calls home in New Orleans, is supposed to house about 270 related organizations, a mix of corporations and non-profits from California to Louisiana.

Does that former funeral home look big enough to you to house 270 organizations? The owner of the building is a company whose partners are — oh my gosh! — Wade and Dale Rathke (name sounds familiar?)

As I told you earlier, Wade also happens to be the president of ACORN and he and his brother Dale — who's accused of embezzling $1 million — are listed as president or partner in dozens of companies based in that building in New Orleans.

So that's what we know so far. But the big question remains unanswered: Millions of dollars flow into that building every year; where does it go?

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now obama and acorn

October 30, 2008
Obama’s ACORN roots run deep
Byline: bob | Category: 2008 Presidential Election | Posted at: 6:20 am
Obama spokesman Sean Smith:

Our campaign has not coordinated with ACORN whatsoever on any voter registration activities.

Really:

Anita Moncrief, a former Washington staffer for Project Vote, which she described as a sister organization of the community activist group ACORN, said her supervisor told her the list of campaign contributors came from the Obama campaign.

Moncrief said she has a copy of a “development plan” that outlines how Obama contributors who had “maxed out” under federal contribution limits would be targeted to give to Project Vote, and that it was her job to identify such contributors.

Moncrief’s testimony before a Pennsylvania court links ACORN, a group which by law must remain non-partisan to maintain its tax exempt status, directly to the Obama campaign.

I guess I’ve finally found a tax increase I like: the one that ACORN is going to get, not to mention the fines for tax fraud that they’ll receive, when this is all over.

MORE from John Fund, who is probably the nation’s foremost expert on the issue of vote fraud.

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People still believe Obama is anything more than a rubber stamping confidence man?

He simply represents the latest, and perhaps most extreme phase of the globalists world take over plan. (which is treasonous by any definition) Read their documents and you will see this is a long time coming, and has nothing to do with any one person or president.

Trapped within the left - right paradigm they have created for you in order to sew turmoil, the true agenda will never be clear to you, although its shadow is cast over everything. Obama does not make policy - groups like the CFR are your real govenment. The directions our nations will be taking this year has been decided at Bilderberg 09' that just wrapped up and will manifest in Obamas policy in the coming months.

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Perhaps all the NWO mania was really leading to this point in time. The CFR, etc, etc, was built to get this specifc "man" in place. With the whole 2012 issue on the horizon, even Obama has said if he gets everything done in his first term there is no reason to run again?

Perhaps the entire agenda has always been to elect "obama like" nephilim in the last 3-1/2 years before Jesus return.

"We are the ones we have been waiting for" rings loudly with all evidence pointing to this moment in time.........

The Hebrew word נְפִילִים (nephilim) may mean "those causing others to fall". Abraham ibn Ezra proposes that they were called this because men's hearts would fail at the sight of them. Jean Leclerc and Peter of Aquila among others suggest that it is derived from the warlike nature of the Nephilim, comparing the usage of Naphal in Job 1:15 "And the Sabeans fell upon them" where Naphal means "to take in battle". Alternatively, Shadal understands nephilim as deriving from the Hebrew word פלא Pela which means wondrous.[1] Another possibility is that the term is a generic term for "giants" in general,[2] which is consistent with the Septuagint and Vulgate translations of the word. Some expositors believe it may refer more to the ferocity and strength of the people who are referred to, rather than their physical height,[3][4] though in the Book of Numbers intentional stress on height is apparent, whether metaphorical or actual (see below on Anakim).

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