Zadari: Osama was an “Operator” for the United States

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by twitchy

 

And it all comes back to he is a convicted felon whose psych evals (from 1972) have said he has problems distinguishing fact from fantasy.

Standard Fascist/Communist/Totalitarian Regime rhetoric to shut somebody up and lock them away.

Just like in the books 1984 and Brave New World.

You have been well-trained Swampfox. You know your tools.

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Originally posted by ipsedixit
reply to post by SPreston

 

It is totally disgusting. It is difficult to stomach listening to them. How people can doubt that elements of the American press were involved in 9/11 as perps, after watching something like that, is beyond me.

I agree with this statement completely. The only people I feel terrorized by are my own local law enforcement and the federal governement.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
And it all comes back to he is a convicted felon whose psych evals (from 1972) have said he has problems distinguishing fact from fantasy.

Yeah, funny how that works, or doesn't work. Wonder how much consideration those evaluations were given when they contracted the guy? I'm supposed to be pretty nutty, maybe I can get me a job running guns for some blackops counter-terrorism unit or designing backdoor software for quasi-governmental purposes. Does the CIA hire mathematical geniius nut jobs regularly, or just the ones that have a tendacy for blowing whistles when they realize the bigger picture isn't very a pretty one?

Edit:
And just on a side note, what the heck does a later felony conviction have to do with his being a CIA asset? You keep throwing drug addict in there, but if you read the other side of the story, the 'meth lab' he was convicted of running was destroyed before it was tested for amphetamines, and according to him, he was doing chemical work for a mining company, hence the equipment. I don't know myself as I wasn't there, assumably neither were you or your uncle, but I do know when you throw names around like Barry Seal or Manuel Noriega, assets of the same regime... er era, it's hardly surpising to find them using drugs to later discredit folks.

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Here's a picture of the "glorified clinic" thanks to ipsidixit;

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Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Here's a picture of the "glorified clinic" thanks to ipsidixit;

Maybe in Dubai something like this is just a glorified clinic. lol.


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reply to post by twitchy


His first drug conviction was in 1972. His mental state was such that the judge ordered a psych eval which the doctors stated he had a problem distingushing fact from fantasy (which one would think would set off warning bells in your head, before blindly accepting everything he claims) .

In addition, Washington State court records list convictions for bail-jumping and burglary.

From 1973 to 1977 he was an inmate in Lompoc Federal Prison. While there, Riconosciuto allegedly befriended Benjamin Kalka, then serving time for coc aine related charges and later known as a "major supplier" of meth in San Francisco.

www.post-gazette.com...

Sorry, but his fantasies just do not wash when matched with reality.

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


From the pages of the International Herald Tribune, dated November 1, 2001. News section page 3.

HEADLINE: Dubai Clinic Denies Report Bin Laden Met With CIA
by Joseph Fitchett

....The report, published as the main story in Le Figaro, a leading conservative newspaper in Paris, suggested that the CIA had maintained direct contacts with Mr. bin Laden ever since the agency first extended covert assistance to him in the 1980s, when he was a Saudi volunteer for the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

At the time of the alleged meeting, Mr. bin Laden was being sought in a worldwide manhunt in connection with U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa in 1998. The United States was offering a $7 million reward for information leading to his capture.

The newspaper offered no independent confirmation for its story, which was based on a leak from someone "associated with the management team" of the American hospital in Dubai, where Mr. bin Laden allegedly underwent treatment

"Osama bin Laden has never been here," Bernard Koval, the head of the hospital, said in Dubai

The story -- of hospitalization and a visit from the local CIA chief -- is "utterly implausible," according to an Arab diplomat in Paris. Never, he said, would Mr. bin Laden have run the risks of prolonged medical treatment in Dubai, a free-wheeling Gulf city-state with an underworld of smugglers and mercenaries easily recruitable to assassinate the man listed as U.S. public enemy No. 1.

"If he had needed treatment, he would have chosen a place where he could count on draconian security like Baghdad or Damascus," the Arab official said.

According to the Figaro story, the head of the CIA post in Dubai "was seen" going into Mr. bin Laden's room. But the 100-bed CLINIC'S (emphasis mine) boss, Mr. Koval, told reporters in Dubai that "this is too small a hospital for someone to be snuck through the backdoor" -- a phrase apparently applying both to Mr. bin Laden and the local CIA station chief.

Mr. Kovel said that no trace of the terrorist's presence had emerged from discussions with all members of the clinic's staff, including Dr. Terry Callaway, Canadian-born specialist who allegedly treated Mr. bin Laden.

"He's never been a patient here, he's never been treated here," Mr. Kovel said.

"Disinformation may have been planted on the paper to suggest a continuing covert linkage between the CIA and bin Laden," according to a French intelligence source.




In other words, in 2001, when Bin Laden was supposedly treated there, the PRESS described it as a clinic. Or did you miss the part on their website discussing the addtions that they built between 2001 and today?????

Usama bin Laden - CIA Asset named Tim Osman

Unraveling The Myth of Al-Qaida
Saturday, January 12 2008
By Peter Chamberlin
The myth of "al Qaida" is built on an expansive foundation of many half-truths and hidden facts. It is a CIA creation. It was shaped by the agency to serve as a substitute "enemy" for America, replacing the Soviets whom the Islamist forces had driven from Afghanistan. Unknown American officials, at an indeterminate point in time, made the decision to fabricate the tale of a mythical worldwide network of Islamic terrorists from the exploits of the Afghan Mujahedeen. The CIA already had their own network of Islamic militant "freedom fighters," all that was needed were a few scattered terrorist attacks against US targets and a credible heroic figurehead, to serve as the "great leader."

The really tricky part of creating a mythical terrorist monster out of an incomplete truth is laying-out the facts behind your mythical story without revealing the whole truth about your part in its creation. In order to explain away the billions of dollars worth of weapons and training that went into the operation, they chose a rich jihadi, a Saudi millionaire named Osama bin Laden, who had been a faithful recruiter and business agent of the Mujahedeen. He was painted as the sole financier of the entire enormous operation that was centered in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Bin Laden may not even have known that he was playing a part in a deceitful CIA global drama until after the fact. It is more likely that his history was chosen many years later to serve as the legacy of "al Qaida," than it is that he was a brainwashed tool of the spy agency all along.

The story of bin Laden is the story of the secret CIA/ISI insurgent camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan. According to Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, Osama was 22 years old in 1979, when he was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp near Peshawar, Pakistan.

"Bin Laden family was put in charge of raising money for the Islamic brigades. Numerous charities and foundations were created. The operation was coordinated by Saudi intelligence, headed by Prince Turki al-Faisal, in close liaison with the CIA. The money derived from the various charities was used to finance the recruitment of Mujahedeen volunteers. Al Qaeda, which means "the base" in Arabic, was a data base file of volunteers who had enlisted to fight in the Afghan jihad. That data base was initially held by Osama bin Laden."

Researcher Kurt Nimmo writes:
"The database of Islamic fighters that was collected by the program was labeled n Arabic, 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat', which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word 'Al Qaida" which is the Arabic word for 'base.'" www.lookingglassnews.org...

In 1989, the US, under George Bush Sr. moved to abandon Afghanistan, making preparations to attack Saddam Hussein long before he had ever moved against Kuwait in 1991. As far as Bush knew, the spy agency had obeyed his orders to abandon the Afghan tribal bloodbath and civil war, but the CIA knew better than the Commander-In-Chief. This fit in well with a deceitful Secretary of Defense, who had also believed that he knew better than his boss, (as evidenced by Cheney ordering his underling Paul Wolfowitz to draw-up an alternative foreign policy, known as the "Defense Planning Guidance"). The covert foreign policy of Reagan and Carter had became even more secret, as control of the camp network was submerged even deeper into the bowels of the secret world of the CIA.

The CIA did not pull out of the jihadi program after the Soviet withdrawal, leaving it solely in the ISI's hands. There is a massive trail of evidence which proves that all the Islamist extremists who were trained under this program, to undermine Kashmir, Bosnia, Chechnya, Kosovo, Egypt, the US and England, were not all Pakistan's doing. This has always been a CIA program. The attempt to pretend that we were washing our hands of it, was to give "plausible deniability" to the President of the United States, that he had ordered an end to the effort. CIA appeared to comply, as they covertly ignored the position of their old boss and set their own foreign policy. The ensuing Kashmiri conflict, started in 1989 by American and Pakistani trained forces, was an act of war against India. Which part of the Executive Branch was responsible for the new plan? Was this a presidential decision, or was it a rogue agency that decided on its own to turn the Islamists against us, manipulating the Islamists into openly killing 3000 Americans on 9/11? Whose plan were the Islamists and the covert planters of explosives executing on that new day of infamy?

Pakistanis seethed with anger at the US for abandoning them in the mess we had made; they were only doing what America had demanded of them.

"Many in the ISI loathe the United States. They view America as an unreliable and duplicitous ally, being especially resentful of the 1990 sanctions, which came one year after the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. Furthermore, the ISI is dominated by Pashtuns, the same tribe that is the Taliban's base of support across the border in Afghanistan. Partly because of its family, clan, and business ties to the Taliban, the ISI, even more than Pakistani society in general, has become increasingly enamored of radical Islam in recent years." [Slate, 10/9/2001]...
On October 12, 1999 the ISI installed the government of Pervez Musharref, in a coup d'etat, removing Nawaz Sharif out of fear that he might give-in to American pressure and stop supporting the Taliban. www.cooperativeresearch.org...
_ _ _ _ _

In the early years, the camps produced two terrorist superstars, Ramsey Yousef and Ali Mohamed. While Yousef did spread his talents and skills liberally throughout the Muslim world, it was Ali who made the terrorists more skilled and successfully instigated many large terrorist attacks. As an officer in the Egyptian military, he had served in the same unit as the assassins who killed Anwar Sadat. He later moved about freely in the world of Islamist radicals at the al-Farouq mosque and al Qaida recruitment center in Brooklyn, which had produced El-Sayeed Nosair, the killer of Rabbi Meir Kahane, brought the "blind sheikh" together with bin Laden and his Islamic "charities," as well as Osama's spiritual mentor, Sheikh Abdullah Azzam.

As an American Special Forces trainer, Ali acquired specialized skills and combat training programs, which he taught in the camps. Under the name "Abu Mohamed al-Amriki," he offered Zawahiri a CIA bribe of $50 million to attempt to overthrow the Egyptian government in 1998. He did the groundwork for the plot to blow-up two American embassies in Africa and at least one attempt to assassinate Qaddafi. Ali Mohamed is the linchpin in the plot to fabricate the al Qaida super-enemy. It will be the task of future historians to determine whether he was manipulating al Qaida for the CIA or playing the CIA for al Qaida ­ perhaps both answers are correct.

Our own spy agency is behind the killing of thousands of American soldiers and civilians all over the world. They are also responsible for continued Afghan opium production, as it has always served as the primary funding source for CIA paramilitary operations there. The poppies funded the original Pakistani camps and their current resurgence. Much of the poppy fields and most of the camps lie within a sixty-mile radius of Peshawar. This is the zone of instability that overlaps the northernmost regions of Pakistan bordering Kashmir, the epicenter of the massive October 2005 earthquake that further devastated the people.

Within this sixty-mile radius lies the infamous Tora Bora "fortress," bin Laden's redoubt, where his forces made their last stand in Afghanistan. It was built on the Kabul River, near the Swat Valley, the site of the original camps and the current Pakistani/Taliban battles, set-off by Musharref's meeting of US demands. Tora Bora is part of the Darunta Camp complex [34°28'00"N 70°22'00"E], the former location of Al-Badr I military base near Jalalabad. According to Internet sources, bin Laden allegedly took possession of this facility directly from the CIA, upon his return from Sudan in 1996. At the time of the US invasion of Afghanistan, American media sources were hyping Tora Bora as a super fortress, equipped as an underground city, even having its own hydroelectric plant. This underground facility would have had to have cost at least a billion dollars to construct. They released this artist's rendition to the public as US bombers were dropping everything they had on it. disputed the fortress story

The satellite photos below are supposed to be from the Darunta site, matching closely the level of complexity attributed to the facility during the battle, which the media quickly denied as hype, after our troops failing to get bin Laden there, preferring to show instead, a bunch of primitive caves.

www.globalsecurity.org...

The following map pinpoints the large helipad used to supply Darunta--

Alleged Darunta helipad

The Myth of Al Qaida

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posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic

 

"If he had needed treatment, he would have chosen a place where he could count on draconian security like Baghdad or Damascus," the Arab official said.

Such nonsense. Your extensive CIA training is your own undoing Swampfox, leaving you inflexible and unimaginative. The lies just do not wash.

The Dubai liars would have known that Usama bin Laden would never be allowed into Iraq, because Saddam Hussein executed terrorists. Saddam could not allow terrorists because they would threaten his own shaky hold on power.

At the time of the alleged meeting, Mr. bin Laden was being sought in a worldwide manhunt in connection with U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa in 1998. The United States was offering a $7 million reward for information leading to his capture.

Blahahahaha. You don't really think the US was really offering $7 million for their CIA asset do you? Bush did not even care about Osama, stating he was unimportant. The Bush Regime switched importance to the Mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and killed at least a hundred Al Qaida 2nd in commands.

You going to dig up CIA psych evaluations on Peter Chamberlin and Kurt Nimmo too?

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reply to post by SPreston

The Dubai liars would have known that Usama bin Laden would never be allowed into Iraq, because Saddam Hussein executed terrorists.

Really? So why did Abbu Abbas, Abu Nidal, Ramzei Yousif (and others) all live in Iraq?

Let's not forget all the offers the US Government turned down from Sudan and other countries for Osama Bin Laden's extradition. Why in the world would we turn down offers to extradite the man if he was such a threat to our interests? Clinton admitted this in Feb. of 2002, yet Sandy Berger denied those allegations.. a quick bit of digging seems pretty conclusive that we did indeed have more than a few opportunities to nab him and didn't seem interested at all. Why is that?

Bin Laden has been dead for about 9 years now I find it odd that threats against Benzair Bhutto's life increased after her interview with David Frost when she sated that old Tim Osman had indeed died a few months later she herself was murdered probably by a another CIA-ISI asset.

www.nypost.com...
www.foxnews.com...
news.antiwar.com...
news.bbc.co.uk...

So why exactly are we still perpetuating fear in this guy's name?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Mr. Kovel said that no trace of the terrorist's presence had emerged from discussions with all members of the clinic's staff, including Dr. Terry Callaway, Canadian-born specialist who allegedly treated Mr. bin Laden.

"He's never been a patient here, he's never been treated here," Mr. Kovel said.

Swampy, other than Dr. Phil, can you think of any physician who is likely to discuss the treatment of a patient with the press, without having received prior authorization from somebody? Wouldn't treating bin Laden be highly embarassing to everybody involved were it to get out into the public domain?

Personally, I don't have an opinion as to whether he was treated or not. I haven't looked into it deeply but citing these hospital sources as to what happened could very well be like citing Al Capone as to the accuracy of his income tax returns.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Mr. Kovel said that no trace of the terrorist's presence had emerged from discussions with all members of the clinic's staff, including Dr. Terry Callaway, Canadian-born specialist who allegedly treated Mr. bin Laden.

"He's never been a patient here, he's never been treated here," Mr. Kovel said.

Swampy, other than Dr. Phil, can you think of any physician who is likely to discuss the treatment of a patient with the press, without having received prior authorization from somebody? Wouldn't treating bin Laden be highly embarassing to everybody involved were it to get out into the public domain?

Personally, I don't have an opinion as to whether he was treated or not. I haven't looked into it deeply but citing these hospital sources as to what happened could very well be like citing Al Capone as to the accuracy of his income tax returns.

Not to mention, by U.S. law(which an American hospital is subject to), it is ILLEGAL TO BREAK THAT CONFIDENTIALITY.

reply to post by ipsedixit


The doctor didnt discuss anything about a patient's treatment. His boss asked him if he had treated Osama in his facility and the doc said no.

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


Confirming that a person had been treated in a hospital, at that time, did not violate any laws.

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


Umm....we arent.....

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
www.nypost.com...
www.foxnews.com...
news.antiwar.com...
news.bbc.co.uk...

So why exactly are we still perpetuating fear in this guy's name?

Bin Laden's name is still valuable to the intelligence community when it comes to increasing their power and justifying their budgets.

reply to post by JanusFIN


Of course Osama has dealings with U.S and the PTB. (powers that be). He is a pawn. Do you really believe he could hide? They found Saddam like 30ft under the ground, breathing through a makeshift vent. They can use satellite imagery to see your car number plate, they can also see North Korea transporting Warheads, but Osama....nope he has the "abrakadabra" trick down.