Zadari: Osama was an “Operator” for the United States

reply to post by evil incarnate


Evil, I am officially raising my hand for YOU to explain how religious fundamentalism caused the war against Terrorism. Now im sure you are going to quote a lot of things in your next post. Before you do, how would you feel if I were to say that the PTB are using religious fundamentalism as a front, as a way to control the people who are actually fighting etc. That the conflict is caused and maintained by them, that religious teachings are used to control those who carry out their overall plan. Religion in itself did not start the war?

I look forward to your response

P.S you are quite right, i should follow the conversation. I am very very very very sorry, better now?

reply to post by Toughiv


I guess I would have to say that you need to take some history courses. The all-knowing, all-seeing "PTB" arent nearly as powerful as you think and radical Islamic fueled terrorism has been around for a long time.

The all-knowing, all-seeing "PTB" arent nearly as powerful as you think

Please justify

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


It depends where you are looking media...

In Finland here is total black out from whole Pakistan-Middle East, I think I am soon starting to write to newspapers from what they dont do - their work.

Nothing from Pakistan, USA-Israel meeting, Iran situation, Palestine... Just nothing in last few weeks. Its damn unbeleavable!!!

We had meeting with friends in Friday - I try to ask about their knowledge from world events - we have reach bottom level here - there is no info at all!!!

Thanks from Inet - without active media - I will be in the same unknowledge...

Originally posted by Toughiv
reply to post by evil incarnate

 

Evil, I am officially raising my hand for YOU to explain how religious fundamentalism caused the war against Terrorism. Now im sure you are going to quote a lot of things in your next post.

Quotes? Why would I need to use lots of quotes? The answer is pretty easy to figure out and since you already hit the nail on the head, I will quote you.

Before you do, how would you feel if I were to say that the PTB are using religious fundamentalism as a front, as a way to control the people who are actually fighting etc.

Bingo!

We are being TOLD that religious fanatics want to kill us good American Christians so we needs to go kill them crazy religious nuts first.

It matters not whether or not fundamentalists are actually involved. It is a part of it. Aside from that, it is a little hard to find a war in the middle east that is not based in religious fundamentalism anyway.

reply to post by evil incarnate


Ok i see where you are coming from now. Maybe im reading this thread wrong or am just too tired XD however, that doesnt refute my point that war is nothing but an employment machine. Something that is necessary for stability.

Originally posted by Toughiv
reply to post by evil incarnate

 

Ok i see where you are coming from now. Maybe im reading this thread wrong or am just too tired XD however, that doesnt refute my point that war is nothing but an employment machine. Something that is necessary for stability.

What you are missing is that war is not an employment machine. We have much more useful and productive ways to create employment and war may have been proffitable in the past but how is this one doing for the economy? Not a good mission statement when the "employment machine" you work for can guarantee a good chance of severe physical damage, death, or suicde. To say religious fundamentalism has nothing to do with it is naive as hell though. Why do you think that Muslims very LOUDLY proclaim their hatred for western culture? Do they not say that the infidel should be killed? This is all based on their little bible. I have to say that just because Bush was not really a Christian and did not used Jesus (too often) to promote this war, then ignorant Americans see it as money and control. Go to another country, experience other cultures. See what is really out there, not what they tell you is out there. For all you know, the shadows on the cave wall are anything. You only know what you were told and so far, it seems rather incorrect.

reply to post by JanusFIN


Let's see. Who might be producing this fake Osama bin Laden material for the past 7+ years? Could it be a guy named Peterson Hoffman living in Centennial Colorado? So is he working on his own, working for Al Qaeda, or working for the CIA?

This might be of some interest for the US, have a look at the following data:

www.aboutus.org...

Source - Source - Source

This is As-Sahab, the propaganda site of Al Qaeda.

journalism.about.com...

Now lets have a look at some info:

Whois:

www.who.is...

Registry Whois

Domain Search:

Domain Name: al-ekhlaas.net

Status: clientDeleteProhibited, clientRenewProhibited, clientTransferProhibited, clientUpdateProhibited

Registrar: COMPUTER SERVICES LANGENBACH GMBH DBA JOKER.COM
Whois Server: whois.joker.com
Referral URL: www.joker.com...

Expiration Date: 2009-01-05
Creation Date: 2006-01-05
Last Update Date: 2007-12-01

Name Servers:
ns1.al-taw7eed.com
ns2.al-taw7eed.com


Whoisdomain: al-ekhlaas.net
owner: peterson hoffman
email:
address: alnasryh
city: Amman
postal-code: 8520
country: JO
phone: +458.229751
admin-c: CNET-403666
tech-c: CNET-403666
billing-c: CNET-403666
nserver: ns1.al-taw7eed.com
nserver: ns2.al-taw7eed.com
status: lock
created: 2006-01-06 02:01:44 UTC
modified: 2007-12-02 04:09:46 UTC
expires: 2009-01-06 02:00:52 UTC

contact-hdl: CNET-403666
person: peterson hoffman
email:
address: 8005 South Chester Street
city: Centennial
state: CO
postal-code: 80112
country: US
phone: +303.6457039

source: joker.com live whois service
query-time: 0.014639
db-updated: 2008-02-29 09:52:36


Whois joker.com:

domain: joker.com
owner: n/a
organization: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH
email:
address: Hansaallee 191-193
city: Duesseldorf
postal-code: 40549
country: DE
phone: +49.211867670
admin-c: CCOM-58
tech-c: CCOM-53728
billing-c: CCOM-53728
reseller: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH
reseller: Duesseldorf, Germany
reseller: Visit www.joker.com to get Domains
nserver: j.ns.joker.com 69.39.224.29
nserver: k.ns.joker.com 159.25.49.66
nserver: l.ns.joker.com 207.44.185.100
status: lock
created: 1994-11-27 00:00:00 UTC
modified: 2008-02-26 01:28:40 UTC
expires: 2012-08-03 15:02:10 UTC

contact-hdl: CCOM-58
person: n/a
organization: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH
email:
address: Hansaallee 191-193
city: Duesseldorf
postal-code: 40549
country: DE
phone: +49.211867670

contact-hdl: CCOM-53728
person: n/a
organization: CSL Computerservice Langenbach GmbH
email:
address: Hansaallee 191-193
city: Duesseldorf
state: NRW
postal-code: 40549
country: DE
phone: +49.211867670

source: joker.com live whois service
query-time: 0.014119
db-updated: 2008-02-29 08:09:13


Using another WHOIS machine will give peterson hoffman's mail address.

Finally we know were this material is coming from:

www.liveleak.com...

And our big Al CIA-da friend:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4ee9e7bc36dd.jpg[/atsimg]

Right in the corner: As-Sahab.

Source

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/76091d3b0b4f.jpg[/atsimg]

Usama Osama Bin Laden 2008 March 19 Pope As Sahab full Easter

Google Video Link

[edit on 6/6/09 by SPreston]

reply to post by SPreston

SPreston, this deserves it's own thread. I wonder if there are any ATSers who live near Peterson Hoffman who might consider ambling on over to eyeball his digs. Want to bet he's in the local federal building?

8005 South Chester Street
city: Centennial
state: CO
postal-code: 80112

So this is the info that Spreston posted with his Whois query.

When I goto googlemaps and put in that address, it takes me to South Chester St in Centennial Colorado, but when I goto the street view, it tells me the house numbers go from about 4000 to around 5000.

South Chester St is not that long of a road.

Is this fake information? WTF is going on here??