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Originally posted by star in a jar
If someone came up to me with a bill taxing me for breathing air, I will literally kill him/her on the spot.
There are already several states where it's illegal to capture rainwater - colorado, utah, washington. In Idaho the state owns the water, but 'allows' rain harvesting on private property.
EPA was toying with the idea of charging folks a fee for polluting the water supply by allowing rain water to drain from the roofs and drive ways on their property.
Originally posted by Gando702
Let's say she was granted the right to the water which fell on her roof and property. She starts storing it, and others catch on. Soon thousands of folks in Colorado start storing rainwater, on both sides of the Rockies.
My girlfriend works for the Utility Services Department of the city in which we live, and I asked her about this thread. She basically said one person doing it wouldn't be a big deal. However, word gets out, and since a precedent is set, everyone starts doing it. If a mere 10% of rain water from the rockies were kept privately, it would significantly deplete the supply to the colorado river. In Nevada, Arizona, and Southern California, where water is starting to become VERY scarce, this would have a VERY negative impact.
The Colorado River supplies 100% of the water where I live. It's such a concern, that homeowners can be fined if they're irrigating their lawns, and water is running into the street. In Nevada, where I live, we're already in a dire situtation when it comes to water. Every winter, there's the Rocky Watch, where we hope the snowfall in the Rockies is on the western side, so that the Colorado gets replenished.
I'm not justifying anything, I'm simply saying that when the State denies someone the ability to catch what you'd think is a resource everyone has a right to, they're not necessarily denying that person's rights to it, they might be looking out for the wellbeing of others who rely on that resource as well.
Originally posted by Longy4eva
Haha that's genius!!! if they can refuse you the right to collect 'their rain', then file a lawsuit saying that 'their property' is constantly covering and DAMAGING her property.
Lawsuit!!!! Your property is causing rusting to my vehicles etc. If i don't have a right to use it, it has no right on my property. SCORE!!!
Originally posted by Morningglory
[..] It's business you jump through the hoops and try to do the best within the system. [..]
(9) ‘ground waters’ are treated separately from ‘waters of the United States’ for purposes of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act and are not considered ‘waters of the United States’ under this Act;...
(13)(A) as set forth in section 6, nothing in this Act modifies or otherwise affects the amendments made by the Clean Water Act of 1977 (Public Law 95-217; 91 Stat. 1566) to the Federal Water Pollution Control Act that exempted certain activities, such as farming, silviculture, and ranching activities, as well as agricultural stormwater discharges and return flows from oil, gas, and mining operations and irrigated agriculture, from particular permitting requirements;...
‘(25) WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES- The term ‘waters of the United States’ means all waters subject to the ebb and flow of the tide, the territorial seas, and all interstate and intrastate waters and their tributaries, including lakes, rivers, streams (including intermittent streams), mudflats, sandflats, wetlands, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playa lakes, natural ponds, and all impoundments of the foregoing, to the fullest extent that these waters, or activities affecting these waters, are subject to the legislative power of Congress under the Constitution.’...
Originally posted by contemplator
I find this amazing. Here in New Zealand this is the norm. My entire house uses nothing but rainwater. It is collected from the roof and stored in a huge concrete tank in the back yard. It is then pre-filtered, pumped through a 25 to 1 micron filter, some use UV as well. It's pretty cool that we require no water from the city. Many do get city lines put in but we have never needed one.