Woman is denied from using rainwater off her own roof!, page 1
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Topic started on 9-5-2009 @ 05:11 PM by dodadoom
Incredible! Is this what its coming too? Poor lady, she just was
doing the right thing! Who do they think they are and who do they think
owns the rain and where do they think it comes from?
God in heaven! Oh,..the arrogance!
They have no right! (Unless they pay for the roof!)
All she wants is the rain water that lands on her roof. She lives with her husband and two children in a solar-powered home in rural San Miguel County. Committed to promoting sustainability, Kris Holstrom grows organic produce year-round, most of which is sold to local restaurants and farmers markets. On a mesa at 9,000 feet elevation, however, water other than precipitation is hard to come by. So Kris did what thousands of farmers before her have done: She applied for a water right. Except instead of seeking to divert water from a stream, she sought to collect rain that fell upon the roof of her house and greenhouse. To her surprise, the state engineer opposed her application, arguing that other water users already had locked up the right to use the rain. The Colorado Water Court agreed, and Kris was denied the right to store a few barrels of rainwater. If she persisted with rain harvesting, she would be subject to fines of up to $500 per day.
www.wildlifemanagementpro.com...
Gets crazier every day! No, being crazy may take a permit somewhere in the future!
What, taxing mud puddles? Is that what we've become now? Are we that desperate?
www.ens-newswire.com...
In Colorado, water rights laws severely restrict rainwater harvesting -- a property owner who captures rainwater is effectively stealing it from those who have rights to take water from the watershed.[20]
en.wikipedia.org...


reply posted on 9-5-2009 @ 05:42 PM by UmbraSumus
reply to post by dodadoom




It reminds me of something i read in Noami Kleins `The Shock Doctrine` .

Bechtel , a U.S multinational corporation bought contracts to water rights in Bolivia , leading to it becoming illegal to collect rainwater , as it was deemed the property of the Corporation.



The government, under a law that was passed, conceded control of the water under a monopoly to Bechtel in a certain area. So that means that Bechtel tried to charge a fee and had the monopoly power over a very basic necessity for people. The law said even that people had to ask, had to obtain a permit to collect rainwater. That means that even rainwater was privatized.

The most serious thing was that indigenous communities and farming communities, who for years had their own water rights, those water sources were converted into property that could be bought and sold by international corporations.




In confronting that situation, the people rose up, confronted Bechtel, and during five months of mobilization, managed to defeat Bechtel, breach the contract and change the law.

But the most important thing—and we need to remind Evo Morales of that today—was that that victory of the people in Cochabamba was the reason why Evo Morales could be president today. If that uprising in 2000 had not ended in a popular victory, Evo Morales today would not be the president.


Democracy Now

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reply posted on 9-5-2009 @ 06:19 PM by dodadoom
reply to post by UmbraSumus


Thanks for the reply and the post! And thanks for the stars, flags and
posts everyone!
I have read something about that, but was not aware of the repercussions that you mentioned.
Goes to show us, when we stick together and fight for whats ours
we win.
When we concede, we always lose(our rights)and never get it(or them)back.
From what I've seen, its a heck of a lot harder to get it back once it's gone!
Thanks again!

[edit on 10-5-2009 by dodadoom]


reply posted on 9-5-2009 @ 06:29 PM by ZindoDoone
reply to post by GEORGETHEGREEK



During the Clinton administration our EPA was toying with the idea of charging folks a fee for polluting the water supply by allowing rain water to drain from the roofs and drive ways on their property. They got a stern warning from the populace that it would not be a wise idea. One of the few times they have backed down on environmental BS!!
Zindo


reply posted on 9-5-2009 @ 06:33 PM by DohBama
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to
post by GEORGETHEGREEK



During the Clinton administration our EPA was toying with the idea of charging folks a fee for polluting the water supply by allowing rain water to drain from the roofs and drive ways on their property. They got a stern warning from the populace that it would not be a wise idea. One of the few times they have backed down on environmental BS!!
Zindo


dont give em any ideas. that can "change" anytime... especially under this administration!

i'm surprised they havent tried to resurrect that already... they need more taxpayer money, so... look for a comeback, soon.


reply posted on 9-5-2009 @ 06:41 PM by GEORGETHEGREEK
reply to post by DohBama



Yeah i know...

Here in Greece some big fat silly bully politician has taxed mostly everything after over exploitation of the people which has also no state money left.
Wonder where the money went? Politicians...
I guess breathing air is next up the taxing list....


reply posted on 9-5-2009 @ 07:20 PM by ZindoDoone
Originally posted by DohBama
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to
post by GEORGETHEGREEK



During the Clinton administration our EPA was toying with the idea of charging folks a fee for polluting the water supply by allowing rain water to drain from the roofs and drive ways on their property. They got a stern warning from the populace that it would not be a wise idea. One of the few times they have backed down on environmental BS!!
Zindo


dont give em any ideas. that can "change" anytime... especially under this administration!

i'm surprised they havent tried to resurrect that already... they need more taxpayer money, so... look for a comeback, soon.


Hey its only been 100+ days. Carole Browner is in this administration and it was her idiotic idea originally in the Clinton years so I'm sure they have it in their agenda in the future!

Zindo


reply posted on 9-5-2009 @ 07:34 PM by ZindoDoone
reply to post by azurecara



If we a forced to go solar it will NOT be free. It will be taxed in any manner they can to make the most profit from this "Greenploitation" movement in the world today. Climate Change is natural and making it a business and trying to brain wash humans into thinking they need to be charged for Mother natures acts is nothing but fraud and lies. Huh, I just made up a new name for this fraud!! "Greenploitation" = the exploiting of ignorance to make billions! Yup sounds about right!!

Zindo
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