Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by DangerDeath
Ascestic philosophy, you got to love it
Suppose everybody became Buddhist and there is no society.
Really what are you going on about?
All the Hindu ascetics charging for snake dancers etc, and retiring to mangrooves to meditate, what about them?
Why do Buddhist communities in your opinion stop society?
Really what are you talking about....sources.
How are newborn children going to learn?
MMM in schools like they do in Buddhist, christain, muslim, hindu, and western societies?
Who is going to feed them?
Are they all to born from lotus's or something?
Who is going to manufacture the clothes, build the homes, irrigate and farm the fields,
The factory workers? Builders? farmers?
treat the ill and injured,
Oh god if your christian be careful the mother of modern hospitals and nursing Florence Nightingale was a Nun , quick beware the children will starve
and fields go bad.... Or the current Mentally ill and orphanage kids being helped by Buddhist Monks in all of Asia... beware..
protect against enemies and animals?
The army? well cant do much about a funnel web in the shoe...
You say Buddhism is not a religion, but in my opinion the philosophy you describe is very religious
Maybe but very difficult to really say so, as there is no GODS to WORSHIP and SUPPLICATE to.
and very destructive,
How so? to societies or the individuals?
selfish and lazy.
What like asking a God to help you with a self imposed and created problem?
If followed sincerely would lead to the extinction of the human race.
Like the Yoga's?
It is sophistry, it sounds nice on paper of everybody retiring to a mountain or cave and meditating all their life, but it is impractical in the real
I know th main emphasise of the veda's was such a devotion and following of God's desires, so what happened in the pre Buddhist Asia where the
Aryans not followers of God's desires enough?
Are you therefore a bit threatened that maybe the Buddhist faith followers would actually follow the teachings of their scriptures more closely than
the Hindu's did?
In the real world
Well well that is very telling for a dream of god no?
we need society and its many divisions to keep it going.
I believe so to, who ever in the Buddhist tradition ever said anything diffarant for the householders?
We need our schools to become educated, we need leaders to govern us, we need our artisans and workers to build homes, roads for us. We need our
doctors and scientists to ease our ills.
Why are you stating well known universal facts about human society in an apparent argument against another faith that never said anything
We need our armies to protect us.
Well that is a matter of interpretation, however I am sure you knew about Shakamuni Buddha being a Clan leader? And also in some previous lives
leading his men in defense of the innocent WHEN attacked first?
Simply put we need society and society needs us.
Lol the biggest non a priori I have ever seen stated.
Krishna successfuly refutes this sophistic doctrine in the Gita. I will cite his argument which is completely agreeable to the intellect:
Do you actually know he said it? as oppossed to the actual historical and separate country, and faiths records of the Buddha's existence and acts and
If you have proof of such a thing, of which the Buddha's is accepted in Historical Research circumstances as being more substantive than any prrof of
Jesus outside the Bible... well if you have such proof of Krishna... you are on for about 20 Nobel Prizes, and WILL be on the front of Time magazine,
and top of all News for months to come.
How does one act selflessly? A Vedic maxim says, "All for society, nothing for me" when you cease being the doer and actor and rather dedicate your
life to the betterment of others you are acting selflessly and your work is not binding, but liberating(karma yoga)
This is true, however as stated the origin of such actual words is unprovable now as the age. I fell like in the very Abrahamic religions you dislike,
the original wisdom was adulterated, to allow a form of control over the populus, by powerful political, or early egotistical Brahmans. So the twist
of all for society (because a leader or religious figure says so) is made.
Society surely is the society of humanity? All man.
[edit on 26-4-2009 by MischeviousElf]