Rogue1
From page 4 of this thread.
The funny thing about your argument is that the US Navy were given the positions of the submarines during exercises and still managed to lose them. What chance do they have against a foe that isn't going to radio in their position.
The US Navy has leased a Swedish sub to practice countermeasures against it, none of which have been effective to date.
Neither you nor I know what are the ROE (Rules of Engagement) of these exercises. Some of the ROE are simply for safety considerations which is understandable.
Nonetheless in an actual engagement these ROE are not in place and the gloves come off.
I have read the accounts of these exercises posted on ATS and I am not impressed with the accounts. These accounts are very limited and unspecific in their explainations.
Well come on list a source which aren't Tom Clancy books.
Been onboard both 637 class boats as well as 688 class and also Virginia class boats at this location..
www.nn.northropgrumman.com...
I have also worked the overhauls of several Nimitz class carriers. My sources are not Tom Clancy novels.
I am familiar with how these ships are built both in the inner bottoms as well as certain critical damage control areas. They are built pretty tough and well thought out. I have been able to contrast this with commercial shipbuilding as I have also had the privilege of working this arena as well.
I also know why the Russians use the jump ramp..verses catapults...having worked catapults as well as jet blast doors. Arresting gear as well. This informations is known in the trades but not well known outside of this arena. The Chinese will follow suit and use the jump ramp.
Many of her escort ships cannot maintain 30 knots indefinately. Therefore stripping her of her protective screen.
Indeed many cannot do so indefinately..but the most important escorts can do so.
If the CBG is travelling at 30 knots then their passive sonars would be uslesss in detecting submarine traffic, they can barely track AIP atm, well actually they can't really.
Think this through carefully.
Actually she is probably more vulnerable than most people think. Fact is the carriers have never been engage with an adversary which has a significant Navy since WWII. This IMO has bred a certain arrogance about their survivability.
Think this through carefully as well. There are people out here trained specifically as to where when and how to make the sacrafice of any ship or combinations of ships and crews for the purpose of achieving objectives.
While it is not popular to make such choices I can assure you that there are people specifically trained in making these decisions. Neither you nor I will ever be privy to such details. We will only see tell tale signs that they have been made. You will not find this informations in any history book.
Springheel Jack,
So you used to run the distillers. Great!! I have worked on them but never got into the operational side of them in the Yards. Would have liked to do so but most of the operations were run on the day shift and I was often on the Graveyard shifts. They are quite a unique machine and capable of high volumes of water distillation. But then you would need such on a Nuclear Carrier...if for nothing else...hotel services.
Took me awhile to realize that under such vacuum principles ..how effecient would be the ability to flash off water into vapor for condensing...stage by stage.
Also worked alot of Lube oil systems ...in the varoius compartments. Purifiers ..etc..etc. Engine rooms, pump rooms ..yada yada yada.
Alot to learn down there. Its been a learning experience.
Thanks for your years of service.
And no ..carriers are not as easy to find as some out here would think.
It is indeed a large ocean out there. There is much more to this than meets the eye.
Thanks,
Orangetom
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[edit on 17/6/2009 by Mirthful Me]
