There is only one time in my life when I was breathing like that, and that was when I was running full speed to rescue my weiner dog from a bunch of angry bulls who had surrounded her and were about to pummel her, I was so excited and scared that I was hyperventilating just like in that video.

So being very scared and combined with running can cause that kind of intense breathing. I would think that adds some credibility to the video, but as someone else pointed out, who is heard laughing in the background?

Originally posted by MrRobarto
No you see there isn't a huge attempt to discredit this guy at all. No more then any other scam artist out there. He TELLS you thta this scientist has been killed and yet theres no evidence of that is there? As I said in the other topic there is no evidence of anything this guy ever says.

No, if you'd read my post, you'd have noticed that I said that on his original site (it's not on his current one) he posted a link to the newspaper article reporting the scientist's mysterious killing by a random student.

That's corroborative evidence.

It seems like there's more support for his story than against based on what I've been able to review. I recently listened to his Art Bell broadcasts and whatever other videos I could get through youtube - he has a lot MORE on the table than anyone else and no one has been able to do anything other than yell foul about him it seems... When you get interviews of scientists analysis of tissue and his landlord of five years attesting to his damaged house (complete with holes all over the place) and photographed, it's quite amazing, really, that the more someone seems to be able to provide physical and corroborative evidence, the less credible they become simply because the implications of it being true are for most people simply "im"comprehensible.

I also found the breathing in the video very credible and never heard any laughter. I don't know why people are willing to throw out this entire story so fast - is there really any evidence out there it isn't real? And I'm not talking opinions - or hearsay - I mean evidence?

Noooooooooooo! Not more Johnathan (not a doctor) *Rutter* advertising!

I doubt the legitimacy of the O.P.....have you been here before with a different member name?

A quick ATS search will bring up all the *snip* about this dubious character and his dubious paper maché alien.

Originally posted by nerbot
Noooooooooooo! Not more Johnathan (not a doctor) *Rutter* advertising!

I doubt the legitimacy of the O.P.....have you been here before with a different member name?

A quick ATS search will bring up all the *snip* about this dubious character and his dubious paper maché alien.

I have done an ATS search - it's a lot of time pouring through threads and opinions looking for links to follow - which I did - and again ask where's any 'evidence' that refutes this besides hearsay and opinion???

I saw this video 3 years or more ago all over the internet.

So are they now claiming it was shot this year?

Originally posted by TheAmused
I saw this video 3 years or more ago all over the internet.

So are they now claiming it was shot this year?

No, no ones claiming its recent - but its recent to me because I haven't watched them before this year.

Yeah... all that stuff can be traced back to UFOwatchdog.com.

When I first looked at this case, the thing that really swung me (this was before the full alien video was put up on the net) was the fact that Reed's original website (not the one he has now) was linked to an article that described the shooting of the scientist to whom he first gave tissue samples. Too much stuff has gone missing from the internet and it smacks very strongly of disinfo.

Plus, the UFOwatchdog article says the video was hoaxed by Reed getting the child of one of his friends to dress up in a suit. If you think that's remotely credible having watched the video, good luck.

We're also required to believe that Reed has faked attempts on his life. Look at the videos that were posted and you'll see that he has photos of himself with recent gunshot wounds - you can see the entry and exit wounds.

Why is UFOwatchdog the ONLY site to have come up with all this information? Where did they get the money from to do such an in-depth investigation? Very suspicious.

I happen to think that it's very probable that the ETH is correct. If so, then Reed's story is possible. If you accept the ETH, you're pretty much forced to conclude that there's a cover-up going on. If that is so, then this case would require real efforts to debunk it and discredit its witness.

The alternative, of course, is that several people - not just Reed - are willing to lie for what is going to amount to a very small piece of a very small pie - the royalties from Reed's book and DVD.

And Jaime Maussan may not have much of a reputation in debunkers' circles, but he is respected in Mexico and I have nothing against him. He's said that he's taking a personal risk by associating himself with this case, but he thinks it's a risk to his safety, not his reputation.

Finally, if Reed were a con artist he would have given up by now, changed his identity again, and tried something else. To say "he's left it for a while until he thinks people have forgotten" is simply not credible. He would have to be clever enough to pull off an amazingly convincing hoax but stupid enough to think that people would forget about it being debunked and that such debunking could happen again.

I think with.....500$ i could make you an alien creature this good. plaster casting material and some latex.

the body itself had no structure, it was like...you know when your a kid and you fill pants up with leaves to make a scarecrow? ... ragdoll.

If i had a real alien, id strip it naked. not because im into that sort of thing, but because the hardest things to fake would be hands and feet and the chest area.

this just looks fake to me.

ATS should hold an alien faking competition - sponsor me and i guarantee a win.

I think an alien faking contest is a GREAT idea! Go for it :-)

Originally posted by suterlaben
Looks pretty fake to me.

I noticed that in one of the forest scenes I could hear a distinctive laugh at one point from whoever was making that horrendous heavy breathing noise (presumably the camera operator).

Then when the dude unravels the thing it looks like a crude dummy of sorts.

Filing this under the "what a joke" category.

It was a histirical i can't believe this is happening laugh. I heard it too.

How can you fake hyperventilating like that???