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That's a poor excuse though...
Originally posted by -mytym-
Very interesting topic. I have strong suspicions that we are masters of our own reality. The problem is most of us don't realise this, as the OP alludes to, and of the minority of us that do, most are restricted from turning our suspicions into proactivity by an ever-increasing volume of mundane preoccupations.
Indeed. It is one of the first things a Mason learns in the 1st degree, as well as a major revelation of the 32nd degree in the Scottish Rite. (Or, at least, in my current interpretation of the Royal Secret of the 32nd degree...) If you can't make time to take control of your own life, and balance that with your duties to family and work, then you most likely will go along as a sheeple and have no real impact on the world around you. It takes effort to strive for that balance, but if you can do it, then you CAN put effort into changing the world with your will.
I apologise if I'm going off topic, but I was just introduced to this line of thought moments ago when reading an earlier post on this thread. One of the problems I find with this realisation is that our perceived dependance on mundane things such as work and other activities each and every one of us are obliged to do in the current society prohibit, or at least severely restrict me, from delving deeper and experimenting with the notion that we are in complete control.
A parallel for me is lucid dreaming. Often I am dreaming and notice things that are out of the ordinary, but am prevented from carrying out further analysis which would confirm that I am indeed dreaming, purely because I feel I have more pressing matters to attend to. The more pressing matters I speak of are merely day to day activities that I perceive to be more urgent and take precedence over analysis of my current reality. As I'm only dreaming the opposite is true. The same could be said for our perceived waking reality.
I guess this is where the courage of our convictions is called upon.
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
Whatever the ultimate secret hidden knowledge is, it's going to bust out of the inner circle soon, and then the mountains will be laid low for these so-called high priests and keepers of the flame.
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
And there are many ways to achieve the same degree of enlightenment and purpose.
I think they may end up getting surpassed if they don't share it, placing their entire system outside of the new inner circle or sphere of awareness and then they'd be screwed.
Whatever it is, we're ready to recieve it and grok it most fully.
Why wouldn't you be able to share it?
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
And besides, what use is it, to "get" something of such profound importance, without being able to share that thing with the world.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Why wouldn't you be able to share it?
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
And besides, what use is it, to "get" something of such profound importance, without being able to share that thing with the world.
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
The occult knowledge, the esoteric meaning. you swear oaths to keep it secret.
I'm unfamiliar with the "Isis-Osiris-Horus fable", so I'm guessing you know more about that than I do.
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Why wouldn't you be able to share it?
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
And besides, what use is it, to "get" something of such profound importance, without being able to share that thing with the world.
The occult knowledge, the esoteric meaning. you swear oaths to keep it secret.
Ok then, tell us about the esoteric meaning of the Isis-Osiris-Horus fable, tell us all about the tools and how they are applied. Tell us about the sacred geometry and how that works. We're not idiots, we're quite capable of comprehendiing anything in this universe.
The twenty-four-inch gauge is an instrument made use of by operative masons to measure and lay out their work; but we, as Free and Accepted Masons, are taught to make use of it for the more noble and glorious purpose of dividing our time. It being divided into twenty-four equal parts, is emblematical of the twenty-four hours of the day which we are taught to divide into three parts, whereby we find a portion for the service of God and the relief of a distressed worthy brother, a portion for our usual avocations, and a portion for refreshment and sleep.
The common gavel is an instrument made use of by operative masons to break off the superfluous corners of rough stones, the better to fit them for the builder's use; but we, as Free and Accepted Masons, are taught to make use of it for the more noble and glorious purpose of divesting our minds and consciences of all the vices and superfluities of life, thereby fitting us, as living stones, for that spiritual building, that house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
sacred-texts.com...
...[the] working tools of a Fellow Craft Freemason, they are the Square, Level and Plumb Rule. The Square is to try, and adjust rectangular corners of buildings, and assist in bringing rude matter into due form; the Level to lay levels and prove horizontals; the Plumb Rule to try, and adjust uprights while fixing them on their proper bases. But as we are not all operative Masons, but rather free and accepted, or speculative, we apply these tools to our morals. In this sense, the Square teaches morality, the Level equality, and the Plumb Rule justness and uprightness of life and actions. Thus by square conduct, level steps, and upright intentions we hope to ascend to those immortal mansions whence all goodness emanates.
www.stichtingargus.nl...
While I find Geometry a valuable thing to know, and a good source for allegory, I personally don't find anything particularly "sacred" about it.
The working-tools of a Master Mason are all the implements of Masonry appertaining to the first three Degrees indiscriminately, but more especially the trowel.
The trowel is an instrument made use of by operative masons to spread the cement which unites a building into one common mass; but we, as Free and Accepted Masons are taught to make use of it for the more noble and glorious purpose of spreading the cement of brotherly love and affection; that cement which unites us into one sacred band, or society of friends and brothers, among whom no contention should ever exist, but that noble contention, or rather emulation, of who best can work and best agree.
www.phoenixmasonry.org...
Originally posted by JoshNorton
I'm unfamiliar with the "Isis-Osiris-Horus fable", so I'm guessing you know more about that than I do.
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
Just think - to medidate DEEPER than a Zen Master or a Yogi Master, right out of the gate.
Originally posted by spearhead
oh man have you guys let this thread slide off topic.
go find your own thread mason haters.
...I would agree with almost everything except the first question: Is knowledge of conscious reality behind secret societies?