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Originally posted by platosallegory
are hating the scientific method.
I know some would like to reduce this to a UFO vs science debate but that's not the case in this thread.
This is about the closed minded and illogical arguments made by the bogus or pseudo skeptic.
Originally posted by MarrsAttax
Originally posted by rocksarerocks
Post your best possible proof. I mean the BEST you have, and I'm not talking about blurry dots on youtube.
I already posted my best possible evidence.
Unfortunately for whatever reason it has simply been ignored.
This will be my last post on this particular thread. If people want to carry on believing that ufology equates to youtube then let them. I think there is an interesting phenomenon out there and the best way to analyse it by reading the case reports as at the moment, like it or not, this is the best evidence.
The fact that people on this thread are not even willing to discuss the actual evidence speaks volumes.
Originally posted by Europa733
Ok, let's get to the point now if you will :
Someone wrote this :
"This is about the closed minded and illogical arguments made by the bogus or pseudo skeptic."
Ok, please list closed minded & illogical arguments made by the bogus or pseudo-skeptics, I am all ears (eyes) and I might even agree sometimes, who knows ?
When I was young I believed in the tooth fairy, Father Christmas and the monsters under the bed. As I grew older I learnt that such things exist only in the imagination of children. I think aliens are just a cheap replacement for the childish beliefs we had to leave behind as we reached adulthood. If they truly existed the evidence would be everywhere. Instead we have a few grainy photographs or amazing photo-shopped ones.
But there's just as much evidence for the existence of the tooth fairy, etc, as there is for your aliens. In fact there's more, as I see Father Christmas every year in my local stores grotto! I've never seen ET in there.
Sure, aliens must be out there somewhere but the distances involved for them to get here is just too great.
5. The Skeptic rejects a discovery or invention merely because it has been believed for a long time that such a thing as the claimed discovery or invention is impossible.
6. The Skeptic claims that the claimed effect contradicts the "laws of nature" (and therefore has to be wrong, since the Skeptic and the scientific community he presumes to represent have of course already complete knowledge of the laws of nature).
Originally posted by Malcram
Hi Europa. OK, here's the first taken from this thread, an example of the kind of responses we get all the time.
When I was young I believed in the tooth fairy, Father Christmas and the monsters under the bed.
So I agree with the original post's intent. I agree that ETs/EDs are behind much of the anomalies in question. I believe that scoffers use all kinds of injust or irrational debate tactics, and that genuine skepticism is non-judgemental and should not be confused with that. I feel it's important to remember this is a behavior not a personal label--most people are fair/unfair "in spots". But I see that even 'believers' use some injust debate tactics by my view of it, and it leads me to wonder, what was hoped to be accomplished with that? All it did was piss off everybody on both sides.
Originally posted by RedCairo
If there is no discretion between what is skepticism vs. what is scoffer behavior, then the believers become just as guilty of bias and poor debate tactics as the very people your thread began with complaint about.
Originally posted by mblahnikluver
I have seen some really good videos and some really good fakes. I know which ones (or at least I feel) are real. The problem I think is even if you show someone total evidence like many have seen they still think there is another explanation for it. It makes no sense to me when there is proof out there and yet people still want to call those who believe crazy. I think they are just scared to face the fact there is other life out there besides us. Well at least this is how I look at it.
Originally posted by Malcram
This is an excellent point. Phage said a little earlier in this thread that only "extraordinary evidence, such as touching an ET" would ever be sufficient proof of ET's. And I said at the time that this feels like nothing more than a 'set up'. Why? Because for one, touching an ET is setting the bar so high for legitimate "proof" that it would be nearly impossible to reach, which is exactly what some people want.
I placed touching in quotation marks because that was the term used by another poster. There are other conceivable forms of extraordinary evidence.
Conversely, the only way to prove they do is by "touching" one or by means of similarly extraordinary evidence.
Then, when somebody finally does get the kind of "extraordinary evidence" Phage claims would be necessary to prove ET's - such as touching and ET - of course it is of no use. Because no one will believe them.
Eyewitness reports do not constitute extraordinary evidence. There is no way to verify their veracity or accuracy.
The Pseudoskeptical Catch-22: "unconventional claims have to be proved before they can be investigated!" This way, of course, they will never be investigated or proved. - The Objectivity of Science: Seven Warning Signs of Bogus Skepticism by Rochus Boerner