2009/2010--Your Predictions

Alright so we all know that this world is quickly getting out of hand, and things will need to be done by both sides in order for any of them to win.

What I want to know is what do our fellow ATS members think will hapen in the next 2 years (right up until Jan-2011) that will be the cornerstones of either an attempt at NWO/OWG or a civilian uprising/revolution against the government. Maybe both?

I will weight in my thoughts a little later if this thread catches on.

~Keeper

I think our economy is going to get worse.
There will be more government control.
The American People will do nothing as usual.
I will get more ats points.

I think in 2011, the United States will break up. In 2009 and 2010 will be the leadup.

Think of what happened to the Soviet Union 20 years ago. Now is our 1989.

I am more looking for some details, I think maybe I will give my own in order to set a precedent of some sort .

I think that for most part 2009 will see decreases and increases in the markets as they begin to move legislation forward. There will be mass spending by the American government in areas of Stimulus and FEMA will also receive a very large budget in order to "prepare" for the coming affairs.

I also think the tentions will heat up in the middle east as the months progress. Israel will continue to lobby the US for war with Iran and the North Koreans will also pose a problem as they will continue to test missiles and attempt to gain some ground in the space race.

We will see a break in alliances in between countries such as Russia/US, UK/US, China/US etc. As the markets fall and protectionism becomes more and more apparent, prices will rise and the dollar will loose value dramatically.

2010 is where some of the more hard hitting legislation will take place. The removal of combat troops from Iraq which will then be mobilized on the Afghan border in order to facilitate an easy entry into Pakistan if they refuse to cooperate on the war on terror as they have been lately.

We will also see increases in "loop holes" when it comes to Human Rights and Domestic Surveillance laws gracefully provided by an updated Patriot Act.

The proposal of the NAU I can also see coming around the end of 2010 and the Asian union as well. More talk of an African Union will also go into effect. There will also be a mass media propaganda campaign to convince the people that this is right kind of direction and it will be sold as the ONLY solution to our problems.

The US will have a very hard time keeping states from leaving the Union. Texas being one of the states that most likely will, along with California and maybe Florida.

Civil disobedience and riots will start in Europe (more so than now) spreading the US by early 2010. I also see the violence in Mexico escalating requiring intervention by atleast one world power. This will only cause more unrest in southern states on the boarder.

That's what I see coming in the next 2 years.

~Keeper

North Korea will kick off with south Korea although the war will be contained and neutralised within a few weeks (similar to Israel) thanks to US and Chinese deplomacy. Politicians and banks will try to resume business as usual and claim that the worst is over, for about 2 months house prices will slow and stabilise and the sheeple will begin consumption again. A bank will collapse and no bailout will be offered people will will brick it and then the wars will begin.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Alright so we all know that this world is quickly getting out of hand, and things will need to be done by both sides in order for any of them to win.

What I want to know is what do our fellow ATS members think will hapen in the next 2 years (right up until Jan-2011) that will be the cornerstones of either an attempt at NWO/OWG or a civilian uprising/revolution against the government. Maybe both?

I'm sticking with like a John Titor theme here. Financial collapse, war between iran and israel where israel nukes the middle east in the end.

The only thing is that he said that it would be financial collapse in 2005, so assuming that something out there is attempting to disprove him, I'll say that we'll see financial collapse in 2009 (4 years off).

I say that Israel is going to try attacking Iran in 2009, leading to major battle.

That's all I've got for you.

Thanks everybody, I am enjoying the feeback received so far.

I am just trying to get a general sense of what we are thinking is going to happen, whether it has to mostly do with Middle East tensions or the Economy or other situations such as 2012 and what not.

Keep 'em coming!

~Keeper

I think the web bot is a good reference point. My thoughts are:
Stock Markets trending cautiously up til next Fri. ( March 20)...Dramatic down from close on Thurs. 19th and open on Tues. 23rd;
Spring will seem to come late. Late season snow storms and heavy rain in the temperate areas. Flooding;
Decisions made in the next 2 weeks by the Obama Admin will be shown to be miserable failures by sometime in Aug. 2009;
Around this same time we will witness the death of the dollar. Foreclosures continue, forcing more out of their homes and squatting will become more common. Many will leave the area they live in, chasing the opportunity for jobs away from their hometowns, etc...
We will begin to hear more individuals from positions of knowledge coming forward with info that has been "classified" up to now, and of great interest to people on sites such as this by end of Autumn 2009
By 2010 the Obama Admin. will suffer from a "Hoover style failure"
Going into Winter, many will migrate to the South to keep from freezing;
There will be climate change due to heliosphere/magnetosphere loss within the next 3 to 5 years, resulting in warming in the polar areas and increased rain/snow in the temperate areas.
Not all Doom and Gloom.
By the end of 2010... contact with Aliens?
Don't mean to bring anyone down, but this is what I see...

I see the stock market down throughout the year. It will go down 1000 points over a month and then up 500 points the next, kind of fluctuation but on a downward trend. Im thinking 4000 dow by next year. Gold will be at 1300 and silver at 35. Housing may stable or even rebound for a very short while and then decline again.
The major problem I forsee is food. I see food shortages, this will creat major problems.
As far as politics I cant really get a good picture of it, too many sleaze balls running things to know where the heck they are headed next.

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That's an interesting concept I had no thought of, the food shortages. How do you think they will come about?

IMO it'll be because some states who produce the most food won't have the sufficient funds to properly grow and export their food in the coming years.

With California thinking about shutting water services down to farms, this could be the beginning of such a scenario.

~Keeper

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Food shortages will come about due to abnormal flowering/non fruiting crops, as well as flooding mid grow season rendering crops useless

I think a realitively unknown person will taps into a major resource.

I think this "person" will take a simple plan engaging the populace of America thru bold tactics. Within those tactics, that have been used for other purposes successfully in the past, everything remains open to the point that the PTB don't dare touch them.

Ultimatley the people, in a bold and organized move, upset the scale of power in Washinton, D.C. and restore the orign of the Constitution, while keeping the human rights Amendments.

Many Professional Political's dis-embark after the Federal Reserve Bank is put out of buisness, and the IRS is cleaned up with a progressive flat tax that takes 90% of the states to ratify a change.

The states however, struggle with new power and responsiblilty for a couple of years. Some follow the corupt ways of old, but pressure from other states, including some slowing of resources, help the people in those states realize they are responsible and are in power.

On the international scene, the exchange of power was a little rough. Thing are not the same with England any more, as the PTB still have it in hand. China and Russia were dealt with in another way, Guns Drawn type tactic was used. The Defence Dept. was left in tact thru the exchange period.

The only bloodshed, was in a few areas where as rioting broke out in major cities. 5 major cities had to be under Martial Law for 7 months before it settled down.

There where over 1000 deaths of rioting factions, and police. The only matter to this day that was in question, was the one family that got caught at the wrong place and the wrong time and led to the death of four of the five members. Only one little girl age three, survived, and now the nation are her parents. One nation under respect and honor for one another.


Date, 1 Nov 2011


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OP S & F for you!

Great subject.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Well I heard that alot of farmers are not going to plant corn this year because the expense is greater than the profit. With the shrinking economy I see less truck shipments, were going to have to start buying locally grown food. Like you said water problems are also a reason, droughts, CA problems. I can also see a scenario where states are fighting each other for water rights.

Here's my two cents:


- Unemployment rates will continue to increase

- Chrysler will go bankrupt. If not in '09 than I think it will be in '10. They've pissed off a lot of Canadians threatening to cease operations in Canada if the government doesn't "loan" them billions of dollars and have Revenue Canada forgive their $500 million tax problem.

- Forclosures will increase. Even Canada is not immune. There was a good two page article about Canada's nasty sub-prime secret in the Globe & Mail. Which will become more apparent as unemployment continues to rise.

- Personal bankrupticies will most likely begin to rise as unemployment rises.

- Prime rate will go even lower. Banks however, will continue to clam up on their lending practices.
I used to work for a Financial Institution underwriting loans, investments etc. It was tough to qualify for credit then, I could only imagine what it's like now or, what it will be like. I'm sure Jim Flaherty our finance minister(I'm Canadian, by the way), will rant and rave at the Canadian banking bosses to start lending again, but I don't believe it will have any effect.

- Credit card interest rates will rise sharply. The era of having a Visa with a 9-10% interest rate are over. Pay 'em off now if you can.

- Markets will be on a roller coaster ride, but over all they will continue a steep decline worldwide.

- Political instability and civil unrest worldwide, especially in European countries. I think most people already know this.

- As the economy continues to deteriorate, we could possibly have an election being called here in Canada and the ruling Conservatives getting turfed. They should have been turfed a long time ago in my opinion.

- We will see more Bernie Madoff types show up over the next year

- Food banks will become strained because of the new flood of people using their services and will be crying for donations

- Some Eastern European countries are literally on the brink right now, and could go the way of Iceland



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Like a meteorologist, I don't think that any of us can really predict anything over 10 days in the future (if that!)

Since there are so many things that can happen randomly (without necessary buildup), we are at a loss to see how 2009 will influence 2010. As far as that goes, I'll make a 3-month prediction, based on what we are experiencing right now:

March 15 2009- June 15 2009:

The economy will start looking better in the United States. There will be less talk of bailouts and less talk of economic distress coming from Congress and the White House. This is what can best be described as a false-positive. By late April, we will already begin to see a turn in several major companies and institutions. This upturn is thanks to the Economic Stimulus Package and certain amounts of liquidity that will start coming back into the market.

Unfortunately, I don't think that the world will follow suit. I fear that the economy of the United Kingdom is far more damaged than we are currently led to believe. This will begin to show across Europe. Italy and Ireland will begin to develop significant riots and actual unrest (let's say early June?)

As far as large-scale country destabilizations:
- Mexico will start to look a bit better as the drug lords and gangs retreat in the face of mounting Mexican military pressure. This is a regroup, more than a retreat, but, in the next three months, things will look better.
- Pakistan will come closer to a military government. The United States will stay very silent on this matter, as we may benefit from this change.
- OPEC will not cut production, in favor of trying to maintain stability.
- Russia will continue some exapansionist, Cold-War Era, proddings against the United States. I think this is more of a test of the Obama Administration than actually trying to move towards war.
- China will stay very silent, as they have great number of major anniversaries this year (Tibet, Tienanmen, and the May 4th Movement).
- N. Korea will continue to try to push the envelope with the United States. If anyone shoots down their missile, it will be Japan. However, I have a feeling that the missile might be a dud.
- Terror attacks will increase in Afghanistan and decrease in Iraq.
- Major rhetoric attacks against Iran, Syria, and Palestine will come out of the Netanyahu government. This may be followed by an incursion into the Palestinian territories and into Lebanon (though, probably not in the next three months as Netanyahu consolidates power)
- Decreased rhetoric coming from Iran

So... all of this could be hooey if there are any major random events which cannot be predicted. Since the world is becoming more and more volatile, I'd say that there is about a 10-15% chance of some kind of major event happening in the world. Where this comes from? You'd have to ask a psychic.

I think that these will be an interesting three months. Because of what will happen now, the last half of this year may be devastating. This will be because the government will propose greater socialist ideas as the economy resumes its collapse. This will also be amplified as social unrest may begin to enter into first-world nations in Europe.

I have to say, though, if there is a big wave coming, we are going to see it from about a month away, I would estimate.

Though, I have to say, I could be totally wrong. I am just going on what the current facts in the world are. Cheers!

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I always have a rosy outlook that tends to irritate people who thrive on doom and gloom.

While I see things as continuing to be rough for a time to come, I see some benefits out of the situations we will all face.

I see people going back to being aquainted with all their neighbors, and family, since we will all need to learn to rely on each other. I see multiple generations of people learning to live together and work together. I see bartering becoming more common for goods and food, since the dollar will fail.

I think that people will uprise, and not allow the NWO to take place. We have strength in numbers, as was proven during the Viet Nam war. I see more people waking up as the housing crisis continues, job losses, and people loosing their nest eggs to retire on. Baby boomers who were around during the Viet Nam war will spear head this.

I believe that it will get to the point where members of the government will have to leave their positions due to embarrasment of their actions, and being exposed. I see special elections taking place to replace corrupt inididuals.

The middle east is always a hotbed, but I think the Isrealis will reconsider deploying any type of nuclear weapons, as they would be down wind of such and action. They would lose grace with the entire world if they did such a thing.

As for the Koreas, with the economic situation of the world trickling down to them further, I see them possibly uniting to benefit each other.

Some states may try to cede from the rest of the country but will be unable to, due to people not being happy about not receiving things such as social security they have paid into for their entire lives. While the dollar may fail, people still expect a payout on something they have contributed to........this is one of the issues that will get people active and on their feet!

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
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I always have a rosy outlook that tends to irritate people who thrive on doom and gloom.

While I see things as continuing to be rough for a time to come, I see some benefits out of the situations we will all face.

I see people going back to being aquainted with all their neighbors, and family, since we will all need to learn to rely on each other. I see multiple generations of people learning to live together and work together. I see bartering becoming more common for goods and food, since the dollar will fail.

I think that people will uprise, and not allow the NWO to take place. We have strength in numbers, as was proven during the Viet Nam war. I see more people waking up as the housing crisis continues, job losses, and people loosing their nest eggs to retire on. Baby boomers who were around during the Viet Nam war will spear head this.

I believe that it will get to the point where members of the government will have to leave their positions due to embarrasment of their actions, and being exposed. I see special elections taking place to replace corrupt inididuals.

The middle east is always a hotbed, but I think the Isrealis will reconsider deploying any type of nuclear weapons, as they would be down wind of such and action. They would lose grace with the entire world if they did such a thing.

As for the Koreas, with the economic situation of the world trickling down to them further, I see them possibly uniting to benefit each other.

Some states may try to cede from the rest of the country but will be unable to, due to people not being happy about not receiving things such as social security they have paid into for their entire lives. While the dollar may fail, people still expect a payout on something they have contributed to........this is one of the issues that will get people active and on their feet!

I totally agree! It doesn't have to be horrible to be amazing and exciting.

I can see now my predictions are not going to be popular on here.

1.I Have been telling people for a while. Here in the U.S. the economy will be getting better in (or just before) 2010.

2.I also feel that ,in 2010, Something will be reveled. Will this be aliens? Maybe.

3.I also see ,starting in in 2010, 2012 cults spreading like wildfire in America and around the world.

4.IN 2010 I feel more states moving towards allowing Homosexuals to marry. I believe it is possible in California PROP 8 will be repealed. I also see other states repealing similar laws declaring them unconstitutional.



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