9/11: Tired of the Blame Game

When Payne Stewart's plane left its flight trajectory, military jets were quickly scrambled to find out what was going on.

Are we therefore supposed to believe that four passenger aircraft can do the same with no military presence whatsoever (except possibly flight 93).

It happened on Bush's watch. It was Bush and his oil cronies who wanted the oil pipeline across Afghanistan which the Taliban were denying them.

Whether or not the current Administration orchestrated the whole thing or not, they certainly allowed it to happen.

Piskey and Aware, all I can reply with is this:

Idiots

Originally posted by Curiousone
Piskey and Aware, all I can reply with is this:

Idiots

I knew that this would come to name calling.

Grow up people and if you can't, then maybe you don't need to be here....

now back on subject, I don't have a good explanation for why military jets were not sent to intercept these hijacked airplanes.... I've seen all of the time lines, but I don't agree with them totally, would you want to be the person who has to give the order to go shoot down a plane full of people ?

Maybe that decision was easier in the Payne Stewart case, in that there were what 2-3 people on board, and no I'm not saying that one life is more important that another....

well of course the blame game is exactly what the global elite wants when it comes to wars,terrorist acts,conflicts,bankrupting of nations....etc..etc..etc

of course its not the bush administrations fault for this....what do you expect when like every other administration your a patsy for the global elite ....?

There hands are tied and should one oppose this force the neck is sliced or the career is ruined.

Follow the money and you will find who is responsible...
This country and all the other western democarcys are owned by The global elite who own the entire banking system....they also own a majority of the media....
any propaganda they spew is taken as the gospel...
left ...right ...democrat...republican....facist...communist....conservative ....liberal......jew....gentile....etc..etc....etc...

They dont care who you are or what your political or religous background is ....if they can keep you divided with emotional issues they WIN !!!
The political arena is there game to keep your mind off of them while they are inserting a large foot up your arse!!!
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it is just one of some great websites that will begin to introduce you to some of theese fine examples of the human race that are going to try to make Hitler and Stalin look like a date with little Mary sunshine

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they did not send the plane in the case of the payne stewart incident in case it needed to be shot down !!!
WHAT!!!
and they dont consider in the military whether some one would like to be the one to shoot down a plane full of people or who would like to give the order....that argument is just ridiculous......

The colonel says:
excuse me son would you like to go shoot down a plane full of people ???
The pilot says :
not really sir ...could you send some one else please...

if were about to enter a nuclear war will we ask the people in the silos or on the nuclear subs if they would like to pull the trigger on sending bombs to destroy millions ????

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[Edited on 15-4-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
they did not send the plane in the case of the payne stewart incident in case it needed to be shot down !!!
WHAT!!!
and they dont consider in the military whether some one would like to be the one to shoot down a plane full of people or who would like to give the order....that argument is just ridiculous......

The colonel says:
excuse me son would you like to go shoot down a plane full of people ???
The pilot says :
not really sir ...could you send some one else please...

if were about to enter a nuclear war will we ask the people in the silos or on the nuclear subs if they would like to pull the trigger on sending bombs to destroy millions ????

[Edited on 15-4-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

[Edited on 15-4-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

you see that's the difference, they're military and they would have been ordered to do this.. in both cases...

would they have carried out the order, that's a whole new arguement.

Youre right about, the Payne Stewart incident, the plane was sent to take a look and to try to see inside the plane, I think... if memory serves... I apologize.




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i am quite sure if the order came down to shoot a plane full of a hudred or more people in liew of possibly thousands of people dying in a skyscraper or in liew of the pentagon or the white house getting devastated the pilots would carry it out with out a second thought ...

That is what they are trained for .....not a movie scenario

if we all remember the orders to shoot down any planes that were highjacked if they went near metropolitan or near sensitive areas such as reactors and that is why they had an aircap over the capitol and n.y.c after 9/11

But that was all a big show !!!

Originally posted by Pisky
When Payne Stewart's plane left its flight trajectory, military jets were quickly scrambled to find out what was going on.

You failed to mention the fact that the plane had been out of radio contact for several hours. That is why the planes were diverted to it.

Check the index, that issue was already beaten to death.

it is true that the plane was out of contact for some time before planes were sent to chek it out...

but in the case of the highjackings they knew the planes were being jacked and did not send one fighter ...
not one....even as an escort....does anyone not find this suspiscous !!!????!!!

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
it is true that the plane was out of contact for some time before planes were sent to chek it out...

but in the case of the highjackings they knew the planes were being jacked and did not send one fighter ...
not one....even as an escort....does anyone not find this suspiscous !!!????!!!

Does any other country send military planes to escort hijacked planes ? I don't know ?

Originally posted by COOL HAND

You failed to mention the fact that the plane had been out of radio contact for several hours. That is why the planes were diverted to it.

Well im not sure where you get your information, but according to the NTSB the plane was not responding for about 30 minutes before they had an F-16 doing a visual inspection. Visual. That means that within 30 minutes they had lost contact, launched a plane to intercept Payne Stewart, AND REACHED HIM.
All within 30 minutes. www.ntsb.gov...
Im sure this has been 'beaten to death' but i could not let this statement go unchecked.

Originally posted by aware

Originally posted by COOL HAND

You failed to mention the fact that the plane had been out of radio contact for several hours. That is why the planes were diverted to it.

Well im not sure where you get your information, but according to the NTSB the plane was not responding for about 30 minutes before they had an F-16 doing a visual inspection. Visual. That means that within 30 minutes they had lost contact, launched a plane to intercept Payne Stewart, AND REACHED HIM.
All within 30 minutes. www.ntsb.gov...
Im sure this has been 'beaten to death' but i could not let this statement go unchecked.

Yes but where was the plane, how close to a military base with an aircraft that could intercetp it ?

Originally posted by elevatedone

Yes but where was the plane, how close to a military base with an aircraft that could intercetp it ?

umm, its right there in that link, the NTSB report, page three.
The F-16 was 'vectored' in from AFB, Fla.

Originally posted by aware

Originally posted by elevatedone

Yes but where was the plane, how close to a military base with an aircraft that could intercetp it ?

umm, its right there in that link, the NTSB report, page three.
The F-16 was 'vectored' in from AFB, Fla.

They do not mention that the aircraft was already in the air. They did not have to bother with starting the aircraft and all that other fun.

OK, this post isnt about payne stewart, its about being sick of the 'blame game'
Well i have news for you, the 'blame game' isnt going away anytime soon. The true patriots, the ones that are concerned about life and liberty for ALL americans, the ones that have actually researched 911 and come to some painful conclusions, will never let this die.
There would never have been an independant commision if not for us. Dr. Rice would never have testified if not for us. We will not rest until questions have been answered and lies exposed. No my friends, the 'blame GAME' will not go away. That is, until the NWO thumps us again, then we will have a brand new subject to debunk.
Can ANYONE contest the obvious conclusions drawn from the link in my signature?

Originally posted by aware
Well i have news for you, the 'blame game' isnt going away anytime soon. The true patriots, the ones that are concerned about life and liberty for ALL americans, the ones that have actually researched 911 and come to some painful conclusions, will never let this die.

There were also people who still claimed that the earth was flat until the first satelites proved them wrong.

BTW we have already determined that you link is to another website that manages to warp facts to fit their agenda.

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Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
but in the case of the highjackings they knew the planes were being jacked and did not send one fighter ...
not one....even as an escort....does anyone not find this suspiscous !!!????!!!

Quite untrue.
Jets were scrambled, but didn't reach the hijacked planes in time.
NORAD wasn't notified by air control for 20 minutes after the first plane was suspected to be hijacked. (8:38-8:40am) Link

Fighters at Otis Air National Guard, sitting ready, were ordered to battle stations "cocked and loaded"
At the time, SOP was: "for an FAA official to contact the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and request Pentagon air support. Someone in the NMCC would call Norad's command center and ask about availability of aircraft, then seek approval from the Defense Secretary--Donald H. Rumsfeld--to launch fighters."
Six minutes later, they were given the scramble order. (8:46am) Link

At 8:46am, flight 11 hit the first World Trade Center building. The scrambled fighters were 17 minutes/153 miles away.
At 9:02am, flight 175 hit the second World Trade Center building. The scrambled fighters were 8 minutes/71 miles away.

At 9:24am, NORAD is notified of another hijacked airliner off course. Langley AFB in Hampton, VA immediately scrambles F-16s.
They were in the air and en route at 9:30am.
At 9:37am, flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. The scrambled fighters were 12 minutes/105 miles away.
NORAD Link

Next?

-B.

well i guess your right Banshee but it doesnt prove there is no complicity between our government and the terrorists

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
well i guess your right Banshee but it doesnt prove there is no complicity between our government and the terrorists

If there was, don't you think that they would have just sent Bush back to DC. Why send him off to Neb if they knew the attack was over?

Some of you might say that was planned as well. But if that was preplanned, then it was a bad choice. He should have gone to Cheyenne Mt.

Originally posted by Banshee

Quite untrue.
Jets were scrambled, but didn't reach the hijacked planes in time.......
.........Six minutes later, they were given the scramble order. (8:46am) Link

At 8:46am, flight 11 hit the first World Trade Center building. The scrambled fighters were 17 minutes/153 miles away.
At 9:02am, flight 175 hit the second World Trade Center building. The scrambled fighters were 8 minutes/71 miles away.

At 9:24am, NORAD is notified of another hijacked airliner off course. Langley AFB in Hampton, VA immediately scrambles F-16s.
They were in the air and en route at 9:30am.
At 9:37am, flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. The scrambled fighters were 12 minutes/105 miles away.
NORAD Link

Next?

-B.

17 minutes/153 miles away?
8 minutes/71 miles away?
So they were flying NINE miles an hour??
Im confused by those numbers.