Beyond the Apocalypse; Surviving in the next Dark Age, page 1


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Topic started on 14-2-2009 @ 11:39 AM by whatukno
Ah yes, you can prepare for SIT X all you like but unless you have a long term strategy beyond survival in the upcoming new dark ages your preparedness is all for naught. What happens when you use up the supplies you stored in your BOB? What happens when you run out of ammo? Can you take wheat and make bread? Can you distill your own Biofuels? Can you make your own penicillin? Do you know how to forge steel? Do you know how to rebuild your own civilization?

These questions must be asked because without the necessary knowledge one can only prepare so much. The aftermath of the end of our civilization isn’t necessarily the end of humanity. Humanity will survive, the question is, who knows enough about survival in order to survive the end of this age and the beginning of the new dark age?

So what’s your answer? Do you know?

Let us break down the questions posed here and see what we can collectively learn for ourselves, and collectively know what to do after TSHTF.

1. What happens when you use up the supplies you stored in your
BOB?

Well you’re simply going to have to resupply aren’t you? Well what happens if a company doesn’t exist to produce the necessary supply that you’re looking for, or worse you don’t have the barter medium in order to pay for that supply? Can you make your own?

2. What happens when you run out of ammo?

Well again, you’re going to have to resupply aren’t you? Do you know how to reload cartridges? Do you know how to make Black Powder? Do you know how to repair, replace parts on your firearm? And when worse comes to worse do you know how to wield a sword? Sword? Really? A sword, do you know how to effectively wield a sword to its full effect against a target? Do you know how to create a bow and arrow? A lance, A spear?

3. Can you take wheat and make bread?

Can you identify plants that are edible from those that will kill you? Do you know how to purify water for drinking? Do you know how to field dress an animal? Do you know what parts you can use to make sinew? Can you tan a hide? Can you make soap from an animal?

4. Can you distill your own Biofuels?

Do you know how to make grain alcohol to use as a fuel? Do you know how to make a generator out of a lawnmower engine? Can you make a small hydroelectric dam? Do you know how to make a light bulb?

5. Can you make your own penicillin?

Do you know how to culture basic penicillin? Can you derive medicine from plants? Do you know how to set a broken bone? Do you know and understand advanced first aid?

6. Do you know how to forge steel?

Or more easily, do you know how to recycle steel into weapons, tools, armor, and the myriad of other conveniences that this base alloy provides?

7. Do you know how to rebuild your own civilization?

Do you know how to make a basic shelter, an advanced shelter, a house? Do you know how to dig a well? Raise livestock? Grow food?

What happens when you the knowledgeable are confronted with roving gangs of people so desperate to survive they are willing to steal and kill in order to attain that goal? Do you know how to turn them from foe to friend? Do you know how to organize a simple workforce for the benefit of the whole?

Civilizations decay, and rot away, what always is left are the people that make up that civilization. After a collapse of a civilization, there is always a dark age, this is shown throughout history and it will happen again. The question is, are you prepared? Many of you know enough to survive in the wilderness if situation X occurs. The question is surviving enough?

Of course I don't have all the answers, I don't know everything perhaps though as members we can answer these questions for each other and in doing so help each other when the whole enchilada breaks down.


reply posted on 14-2-2009 @ 11:53 AM by cnichols
reply to post by whatukno



Damn good questions, one and all and something I've often thought about. There are a number of things I'm "handy" with and a number of things my SO is handy with but there are simply too many things that he and I don't know. And I'm painfully aware of that :x

Another problem I've given some thought to is this. Alot of information is readily available via the internet, hence alot of people haven't "stored" this info. What happens when the inet is gone? No more access to that info. I've tried to start making it a habit to at least download/copy info onto my harddrive for future printing.

I'll be reviewing all the info you've supplied and will answer the questions in a bit



reply posted on 14-2-2009 @ 11:59 AM by WatchRider
Originally posted by whatukno
Ah yes, you can prepare for SIT X all you like but unless you have a long term strategy beyond survival in the upcoming new dark ages your preparedness is all for naught. What happens when you use up the supplies you stored in your BOB? What happens when you run out of ammo? Can you take wheat and make bread? Can you distill your own Biofuels? Can you make your own penicillin? Do you know how to forge steel? Do you know how to rebuild your own civilization?

These questions must be asked because without the necessary knowledge one can only prepare so much. The aftermath of the end of our civilization isn’t necessarily the end of humanity. Humanity will survive, the question is, who knows enough about survival in order to survive the end of this age and the beginning of the new dark age?

So what’s your answer? Do you know?

Let us break down the questions posed here and see what we can collectively learn for ourselves, and collectively know what to do after TSHTF.

1. What happens when you use up the supplies you stored in your
BOB?



This is where Catcheing comes in, if that runs out or you haven't bothered, it's time to get cracking and find some supplies before you starve! This is where the whole 'go back to the towns and cities' comes in



2. What happens when you run out of ammo?


Crossbow and bolts, reusable. When they aren't see question 1.


3. Can you take wheat and make bread?

Yes and hard tack as well



Can you identify plants that are edible from those that will kill you? Do you know how to purify water for drinking? Do you know how to field dress an animal? Do you know what parts you can use to make sinew? Can you tan a hide? Can you make soap from an animal?


From books, yes, in practise, not yet.



4. Can you distill your own Biofuels?

Do you know how to make grain alcohol to use as a fuel? Do you know how to make a generator out of a lawnmower engine? Can you make a small hydroelectric dam? Do you know how to make a light bulb?


Nope.



5. Can you make your own penicillin?


Ditto, I'm not Dr Zvaggo mate



6. Do you know how to forge steel?

Or more easily, do you know how to recycle steel into weapons, tools, armor, and the myriad of other conveniences that this base alloy provides?



Nor am a blacksmith!


7. Do you know how to rebuild your own civilization?

Do you know how to make a basic shelter, an advanced shelter, a house? Do you know how to dig a well? Raise livestock? Grow food?


With great difficulty if its TEOTWAWKI.

Right, several flaws in what you're saying. You're expecting that every survivalist ought to be a multi-skilled master-of-all-trades warrior. A master navigator of tradesmanship you might say.
This is a wonderful concept but in practise (and indeed fiction) but it's a hard thing to achieve unless you've got masses of time on your hands and a zealous mindset.
Specialisation is the key. Jack-of-all trades will be an aide BUT masters of trades will be king in a dark age scenario. This is one of the reasons different tradesmen exist. It can take years to become proficient in 4, 5, 6.

Also, if say you've struck it lucky and got a master navigator of trades on your team, what happens if he's incapacitated / killed (for whatever reason)? You've just lost you're main-source of knowledge and linchpin in fixing/making kit for the group.
This why diversity and specialisation comes into play. If one falls at least it will only mean one specialist has been lost and not the four or five equivilant from a 'master navigator'.


Having said all that doom and gloom.

For this thread does raise questions though.
The rudiments and basics of something are usually good for foundation.
But taking that foundation and getting off the ground into the flighty realms of mastery is another groove entirely


reply posted on 14-2-2009 @ 01:10 PM by cnichols
Yep, I realize that sooner or later my batteries will go dead on my laptop, hence the sentance that followed "for future printing".

As Wotan stated, I think it will become vital that there are "groups" or communities of people who can accomplish the tasks necessary for survival.

During the past week, one of the questions I've contemplated has been with regards to this "community" but I think that is better saved for a different post.

That being said, I'm a relatively decent cook from scratch, assuming I have the ingredients. So yes, I can make bread and a multitude of other food stuffs with wheat.

The whole ammo thing is as WatchRider stated, crossbow and bolts. We have both already, in addition to other means of defence.

Medical needs are something that I worry about alot. My SO has a heart condition and is on several medications. I fear that when SitX does occur that things will go poorly for him healthwise.

Gardening/growing food won't be too difficult. And assuming you have a power source, I've learned of a way to grow most foods in an alternative manner, although it wouldn't work with all foods.

I know absolutely nothing about metal working, although with the right books and information I may be able to scratch something out after tons of trial and error.

Same with leatherworking, etc.

But, when it's all said and done, without a community of people I don't think many people will last very long in an "enlightened" manner and we will invariably fall back into the dark ages.


reply posted on 14-2-2009 @ 01:16 PM by Pr0t0
Very interesting post indeed.

It really depend's on which type of event occurs as to what infrstructure remains in place... and which of us live to occupy / continue to use said infrastructure and machinery and so forth.

I honestly don't have a clue; as none of us do (aside those few gov't employed infiltrators / debunkers / disinformationist's here on ATS and other forums) as to what's unfurling here... are we looking at a celestial ELE? An NWO fuelled nuclear scenario? The arrival of "higher" beings? I have an open mind to all possibilities.

One thing's for certain - without a damn hard fight, none of us will be here to witness it... why? because we speculate, and speculation is treason when one (or more) of our theories are hitting too close to home, too close to the time - well those red/blue list's for FEMA camps in the US and here in the UK Gordon Brown will just dislocate his jaw far enough to swallow us!!

I beleive they have a list of those skilled enough to rebuild what they need and the remainder of those existing ANY event will be completely unprepared ready to work for bread n butter sheep, not likely anyone of any real intellectual merit outside of government / NWO brainwashing.

So I'm skeptical to say the least as to being prepared for any scenario - they won't want speculation in the New Age so I think our day's are significantly numbered. Don't get me wrong, when they come knocking "they" will have never imagined the fight they'll get... but eventually the last remaining souls will be those pre-chosen and the remainder will be akin to the last remaining humans of DOuglas Adams' Hitchhikers Guide...

Sorry for the gloomy post... I think preparation is important - I simply hope it's not in vain.


reply posted on 14-2-2009 @ 01:55 PM by Pauligirl
Has anybody read the Foxfire Books?


www.baproducts.com...

This is a series of eleven books, originally produced as a quarterly magazine by a high school teacher and his ninth and tenth grade students in Northeast Georgia, in the Appalachian Mountains. It includes interviews with the older community residents of the area, folklore and material culture. Beside the intriguing folklore, each book contains a wealth of information about lost crafts and skills we may need in the future. A few of the subjects include: building a log cabin, chimney building, soapmaking, cheese making, making chairs, preserving fruit, home remedies, hunting, gardening, midwifing, wagon making, animal care, hide tanning, blacksmithing, horse trading, shoemaking, water systems, a water-powered saw mill, etc. With over six million copies in print, I believe The Foxfire Books will prove both interesting and knowledgeable.



reply posted on 14-2-2009 @ 01:57 PM by Pauligirl
reply to post by iforget



Dang! You beat me to it.

I have the first one somewhere around here. I guess I need to dig it out and re-read it.
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