Beyond the Apocalypse; Surviving in the next Dark Age, page 3

reply to post by whatukno

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Thank You.
All of the links you provided will take weeks to study.
How to make gunpowder! Aside from the urine/ manure/ 10 months thing for saltpeter, seems pretty sack.
Thanks again.

reply to post by shortywarn

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To get more seeds you either let the plant go to seed like
carrots, or if it is a fruit bearer like tomatoes the seeds are
part of fruit.

You just pick the seeds out of the tomatoes and store them cool
and dry as possible til next season.

Also make sure you have heirloom seeds as the genetical modified
seeds have the terminator gene and will not grow so you HAVE to
go buy seeds from them.

Makes one wonder if the terminator gene was put there for reasons
other than the obvious ones.

reply to post by Syrus Magistus

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I agree, there is a plan for us. We just are not sure what it is.
I also agree the change needed has to come from within. I am however extremely skeptical this will ever be acheived without direct intervention, if I may say so here without stirring the caldron too much.

Heres why. We like war!
www.youtube.com...

Apart from moving to another planet anytime soon, we've got to learn to get along here, while we still have some time or we better hold on to that hope because thats about all we'll have. IMO



[edit on 15-2-2009 by dodadoom]

reply to post by whatukno

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Good post man, lots of info here....

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I will carry the torch on, for the sake of this... and state in brutal honesty:
I'm not proficient at any of these things you mentioned.
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Here is my list:

Originally posted by whatukno

What happens when you use up the supplies you stored in your BOB?

In short, no.
I couldn't run to barnes and noble to get a copy of my reference manuals. It would be even tougher to replace the things I would be carrying on my person.

What happens when you run out of ammo?

I would hope not to, but if I did... I would be angry.

Can you take wheat and make bread?

Never tried with wheat, although I have tried other means and they weren't tasty.

Can you distill your own Biofuels?

No also, for a car at least. But I wouldn't be planning on driving around if it got that bad anyway. I would rather make a still for my own personal consumption. That much I am good at.

Can you make your own penicillin?

I can grow mold in the fridge, and do at times. Not something I would want to eat anyway. I'm allergic to it.

Do you know how to forge steel?

Not to the fullest extent, as in making pig iron from the earth... and going from there. I'm not well versed in metallurgy, but I have been experimenting in making my own blades on a hand forge that a buddy of mine has built... Just using old leaf springs as stock. It would be tough without a shop and current technology.

Do you know how to rebuild your own civilization?

I don't know how it would end up if I were to try, but if I were I would set the goals and surround myself with like-minded people, the rest would work out. I suppose.

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And yes, surviving is enough for me at least. While it is a novel idea, ya know... being truly free as a people and living off the fat of the land now. It's harder than ever. We have grown to take a many thing for granted, and I fear you are correct..



In closing, I think:
Somehow, in the past one-hundred years we have forgotten what is truly essential to us, that skill and knowledge that had helped us to survive has been replaced by our wants of "luxury' and bigger things.

To be quite honest, OP... I am preaching to the choir here when I say... yes we aren't prepared. I know I'm not in the mindset or position to fully understand the undertaking, and I will be the first to say so. I'm all for learning, and with the content the OP provided I'm willing to sink my teeth into it and try.

Nice freaking post btw! Lets all add and keep that flame burning... lots of relevant things that we have lost along the way, methinks. Good buffer for discussion.

Big

T-Minus

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reply to post by seabisquit

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If I'm not mistaken, the Potassium Iodide would not be of much help in the event of a nuclear blast. It is mainly meant to be used in the case of a meltdown at a plant. I'm not sure of the specifics on that, but the fallout from a blast, if I'm not mistaken, would overwhelm you.
The iodide only "coats" the thyroid to prevent thyroid cancer. While yes, it is SOME protection, it isn't enough to save you.

reply to post by telemetry

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Good post.

"I don't know how it would end up if I were to try, but if I were I would set the goals and surround myself with like-minded people, the rest would work out. I suppose."

You are right, it would work in the end. However, I think that is probably something people should consider preparing for. We usually tend to think about what it takes to survive, but what happens when you have survived Situation X for one year and you're doing just fine? Well, then it is time to start rebuilding, lest we remain cavemen. We would have a lot of work to do and I think it is invaluable to at least consider the idea. It is DEFINATELY a good learning experience, regardless.

And I also agree that humanity, in general is not prepared for this, but is it ever?
To me, in my romantic mind ( as if that is ever actually used), I tend to think that THIS would be the mark of a more "enlightened" man. Being able to recover from something so drastic would give the survivors a better understanding as to why not to make the same mistakes next go around. Being able to rebuild quickly to some similance of what we have now would be absolutely remarkable.

[edit on 15-2-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

reply to post by Jay-in-AR

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Nuke suits can also be had on the net for a reasonable price!
If you live close to a nuke plant or suspected military target,
it may be something to consider....

At least have a 72 hour Grab and Go bag wherever you live!
IMO

reply to post by Jay-in-AR

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You may be correct in that assumption, I have never really studied what Potassium Iodide would be used for... short of like you said a direct nuclear contamination. In the real world, if you were living in the area of a direct hit from an ICBM or other nuke device... you would probably be better off with a dosimeter (sp?) to measure the rads output.

If you are in the area of an immediate blast, put your head between your legs and... anyway. lol.

Potassium Io would be near useless unless you knew for a fact that you were in a highly exposed area, or were venturing into an area of a blast and could measure rads dosage. A NBC suit and mask would be far better I would surmise. I'm not sure about the long terms of radioactive fallout, but the pot/io... it could help. Curious to hear more about that if there are any experts here.

If there were such a thing, I would guess it would be low-level depleted uranium or "dirty" so to say, but I'm curious to know... see it has been posted while I was writing...
+2 for a chem suit.

T-

[time and relevance]



[edit on 09/2/15 by telemetry]

reply to post by dodadoom

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Oh, I understand, and agree.
I was just letting it be known that those pills won't save you if you are in the fallout radius of a nuclear detonation. You will need more than that. Mask, suit, the whole nine...
Yes, definately something to consider for anyone who thinks they may be faced with such a possibility.
Major cities, for sure. Or key military bases.

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