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Phil Berg and the Obama Birth Certificate Controversy comes to an end

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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 07:22 PM
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After having searched some 20 threads on this site regarding the Obama birth certificate issue, and reading a host of statements and prospects regarding fraud, and a host of other arguements, all I have to say, is its over.

Phil Berg, probably the most prominent individual pushing the issue, was himself forced to finally look to Oprah for his case after submitting the case to the Supreme court.

If one hasnt been to his site, perhaps it will give yet another good laugh as to how self righteous people can be in the face of public opinion, and a wake up call to those that choose to call conspiracy on a hair trigger.

www.obamacrimes.com...

Phil Berg, is a shining example of an Americans right to persue anything his heart desires, founded on fact or fiction.

While many of us long ago realized that the probability and the likelyhood of the PWB to research Obamas eligibility was something to bet on, there appeared from the mist, those that will never accept plausible evidence as it does not agree with their desired output.

So..for the record, in the end, Obama is president. All conspiracy aside, thats the way it is. 20 threads plus, a lot of time and exhange, and yet, even some laughter.

Its worth reading back on the comments within ATS, and seeing the result.
Theres the way things should be, the way things people think they should be, and the way things are.

The way I see it, and the ways its been, a birth certificate is a birth certificate. We do what we can, as honest citizens to preserve the integrity of our system.

The erosion of that system comes from hate mongers, and those who seek to sow dicord among the people, when the result isnt to their liking.

The breaking news, that became no news at all. Im glad its over.

Peace


[edit on 8-2-2009 by HIFIGUY]




posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 07:50 PM
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I don't know. I don't see any indication on his site that he has given up. It would be nice if the question can be ended once and for all no matter what the outcome is. If for no other reason than to put it to bed. So long as doubt remains, there really is no end.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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Yeah, and there have been Elvis sightings too and those that believe no man walked the moon.

Tell that to the Engineers of NASA. Tell that to the people who spent their lives in mission control. Tell that to the service men and investigators that did a heavy research on Obama, and perhaps then one will see, that those who live the Truth see the Truth.

Phil is out of the spotlight. That much is for sure, and so is the Obama Certificate controversy. Dead story with a dead end.

Meet President Obama, whether one beleives it or not, he is acting, and current, Commander in Chief.

Peace

[edit on 8-2-2009 by HIFIGUY]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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lol most reasonable people realized that this was a pathetic attempt at slandering the homie Barack because of their boredom and trolling...

it was trolling, nothing more nothing less, bored people searching for a conversation, ....

Obama was born in Hawaii



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:43 PM
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I have no doubt that Obama is the President, I both the ability to respect the man and to respect the office. But since the question was asked and was not answered in a satisfactory manner or even in a normally reasonable manner, then a doubt remains.

An argument could be made that I am not eligible to be the POTUS because of an old story of Ohio never being officially entered into the union under proper procedure.

The difference as the handling of it would be that I would say, okay let's look into this. Obama pretty much figuratively flipped the bird. That is why doubt lingers. Even publicly stating that Berg and others are out of their deluded minds would have at least been addressing the issue and everyone could have laughed it off.

*Shrug* So far as I have seen, it is just another definition of what 'is' is. If the story is indeed a non-story then so be it. But to hide and dodge the question, only fuels the doubt.

As for the in depth investigations by our various agencies, I haven't seen Osama paraded around by them either. Which somewhat leads to doubts of their competency as well. Of course they may have found that he was not a citizen and in the interest of national security gave him a pass to prevent the #storm of civil unrest and catcalls of anointed for yet another 4 years much like Bush was.

The climate of attitude in the country is worsening. The FUD about the economy and multiple bankrupt states indicates that there could very well be millions of unemployed, hungry and well armed people wanting answers and solutions and have no concern over Obama's or anyone else's birthplace.

Removal of Obama from office for what some may think as a minor infraction isn't going to help that attitude at all.

But I stand by my point in the first post. Berg doesn't look like he has given up. Obama has not made any effort to clear the issue up. So I say that until it is settled once and for all there will always remain some doubt.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:53 PM
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Please. Phillip J Berg should be deported from the country for the **** he's caused. He intensified the racist critics of Barack Obama where there were none originally. He made the campaign season a lot nastier than it needed to be. He just represented a voice from the past when there was a lot of racism. he created a lot of phony stories. I mean, he just distorted Obama's image, and lied about him over and over, and he didn't need to do all of that. He's just a disgruntled voter and you're giving him far more credit than he deserves. I've seen far more respectable critics of Obama and the Democratic party than Phillip J Berg. He's a traitor... nothing more. He just wanted to disappoint everyone by keeping Obama from being President. He wouldn't do that if it was John mcCain that was from another country. He's just a racist. Nothing more. Nothing less.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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Obviously it came to an end... propaganda in that nature does not last for long, especially when its from the elections. Presidential elections always bring out these conspiracies regarding the main candidates, there is always some conspiracy, and to be frank, the conservatives are the best at spreading rumors accross the net.

The birth certificate conspiracy was BS, and the folks behind it had a number of things in common, either they were anti-liberal or they just hated Obama. With these individuals having a common dislike and a common anti-liberal agenda, its beyond me how any rational person can believe these conspiracies without first recognizing the personal agendas behind it.

I can recite the American, Indonesian and Kenyan constitutions from the 60s as a result of hour of bickering with these folks .... oh well maybe it will come useful if I find myself in court in any of those countries
and yes all the references these folks posted were either purposefully propaganda websites or laws that were improperly or misleadingly referenced.

When your lying about another individual, whether it be subconsciously or on purpose, or on an assumption, sooner or later to truth will put it to end, like water to metal....

EDIT:

Ok I dont know why I added that last partv
..... so cheesy


[edit on 8-2-2009 by southern_Guardian]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by southern_Guardian
I can recite the American, Indonesian and Kenyan constitutions from the 60s as a result of hour of bickering with these folks .... oh well maybe it will come useful if I find myself in court in any of those countries


R O F L...wow..

I got a kick out of that..thanks man.

Peace



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:35 PM
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Careful. To me it appears the obamacrimes.com domain has been hijacked and redirected to obamacrimes.us

I am researching the domain through tools, and there is funny stuff going on....



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:59 PM
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Woah. Ok rewrite. Phil called me back again. The deal is that it apparently has not been hijacked, and his web person is in the middle of working on it, although he is not clear quite yet what is going on (because he was in his car at the moment and couldn't get on to look at it.) I apologized profusely for bothering him this late, and said no prob, I was not bothering him. He's actually quite pleasant and straight forward.

He did assure me however that the case is, and I quote "ALIVE AND WELL." When I asked him when we can expect an update, he said by Tuesday, "how's that?" I said "great".

He also said he has been sidetracked by a death in the family and that another family member just had an accident and got burned real bad.


So there it is. It is not over. Yet.

Also, to be clear why I stated that his site had been hijacked is because I asked point blank if they had changed the domain over to obamacrimes.us and he told me NO they had not on the first phone call. Therefore given that information I thought it had been. Clearly Phil is a better attorney than he is a webmaster. *sigh* We'll know more soon.

Edit again
to add: I also asked him about the Michelle Obama tapes and the African Press International claim that they were going to release the tape unedited in the states, and he said those people turned out to be full of it, basically. (jeez, amazing what all you can learn in 3 minutes on the phone).

[edit on Sun Feb 8th 2009 by TrueAmerican]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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He got what he wanted.

15 minutes of fame. Now almost everybody knows his name.

I'm sure he will use that to get another 15 minutes.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:07 PM
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Hate to end the party here, celebrating the demise of Phil Berg, but one of his cases is not dead yet, in fact, it has gone to the Merits Panel.

The Right Side Of Life blog has a write up on this.

Berg is not finished yet, he is on a mission



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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Please reread my update above. He called me back.

(Capitals because people were posting, and not reading....Sorry. There, how's that?)

[edit on Sun Feb 8th 2009 by TrueAmerican]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by redhatty
Hate to end the party here, celebrating the demise of Phil Berg, but one of his cases is not dead yet, in fact, it has gone to the Merits Panel.

The Right Side Of Life blog has a write up on this.

Berg is not finished yet, he is on a mission


What mission?
Im sorry but the only "mission" berg is on is to get attention to himself from the media and lead a group of ignorant followers to a hole.

What Im wondering, for the sake of Bergs believers, is how far they will before they actually start waking up to the crap this mans spreading. I tell ya it wasnt a good feeling when those folks found out there were no official alien ships in the sky on October 15th



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
PLEASE REREAD MY UPDATE ABOVE, HE CALLED ME BACK.


Why the capitals? You sound...well angry and dissappointed.

Look kiddo, Berg is a fraud, and if you had just looked into the history of Berg with getting media attention and the histories behind the folks spreading this crap, you will actually find that they all have a personal selfish agenda behind it.

The conspiracy has been disproven. Now I know you may have been vocal about believing Berg and what not, but when reality bites, it aint a good idea to continue denial. t doesnt matter what Berg says to you, the BC rumor is dead. But hey... if you wish to further dig yourself a hole, thats all dandy... Im just putting it out there to you that it doesnt do any good.

If you really dislike Obama, discuss the issues you disagree with him on. All this personal crap about his BC only further exposes your personal dislike for the man, not for his policies.

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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:33 PM
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What in the heck are you talking about man. I just spoke to the guy and he told me the case is alive and well. Until it is over, it is not over. Whatever man.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
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What in the heck are you talking about man. I just spoke to the guy and he told me the case is alive and well. Until it is over, it is not over. Whatever man.


Oh gee ok Berg has "assured" you that everything is fine.

Please though, take some time to think about what I said above.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 01:58 AM
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The Phillip J. Berg Esq Will Be Vindicated In Time No Doubt Why Would He Lie It Must Be True Obama Is A Socialist Gun Grabber And He Doesnt Even Born In This Country



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by RubberBaron
The Phillip J. Berg Esq Will Be Vindicated In Time No Doubt Why Would He Lie It Must Be True Obama Is A Socialist Gun Grabber And He Doesnt Even Born In This Country


Vindicated? Yes maybe by the minority fringe right who also believe Obama is the anti-christ, gay, the son of Melcom X and Osama Bin Laden in disguise


Berg is a joke... and he knows himself that his a lime light seeker. His been pulling media stunts since 2000, and you know what, apart from the fact his leading you folks into a deeper hole of lies, his misleading himself by holding to an audience who hate the living heck out of Hillary, his idol.

Socialist gungrabber? Oh brother... thats a broken record. Thats an excuse thats been used on every Democrat since the 60s. A tired old excuse, just like those who insist on stickin around in Bergs hole of lies.

jeeze



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
What in the heck are you talking about man. I just spoke to the guy and he told me the case is alive and well. Until it is over, it is not over. Whatever man.


You wouldnt be talking about his Oprah Winfrey appeal would you?


Berg said he hoped Winfrey, because of her close relationship to Obama and her significant role as a national leader, would review the information he sent her, then contact Berg to resolve the issue “before it gets ugly and hopefully, we can prevent rioting in the streets.”


www.sonorannews.com...

Then Phil sends yet a 2nd letter to Oprah.

BTW...Hot of the Supreme Court website....

origin.www.supremecourtus.gov...


Oct 29 2007 Petition DENIED.



Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.



Dec 17 2008 Application (08A505) denied by Justice Kennedy.



Jan 21 2009 Application (08A505) denied by the Court.


It appears, that Phil Berg is in Denial.

Peace



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