Fortress America: The United States Under Attack.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS

I can just picture Rummy, George Jr and Cheney sitting around eating Smores playing this game while grandma and grandpa Bush are upstairs playing Canasta waiting for Reagan's term to end.

Good Find!

While it is interesting, it's merely coincidence, a person thinking ahead and using a likely scenario.

I'm quite sure Saddam was never in Americas good books. He was always a dictator. And Iraq had been a leading area of animosity toward the west for decades.

The WTC was always an icon of America, as much as the Statue of Liberty and the Golden Gate Bridge.

Need I mention that Iraq DID NOT attack America?
I know Bush tried to somehow connect AQ and 9/11 to Saddam. But this was pure BS.

I see a box cover showing the most obvious visual depictions that could be used for a game of this time. It could have been made any year from the late 70's onwards.

Now, if it showed Osama Bin-Laden on the cover, with a CIA logo about his person, passenger planes, mystery hijackers, oil fields and Saddam, I'd suggest that there was something more to discuss.

As it stands, the creator of this game used his intelligence, a plausible scenario, and nothing more. IMO.

Question - If the Middle East was destroyed in a nuclear conflagration, or even if only a small number of nuclear devices were detonated, wouldn't the oil from the region become unsaleable - I mean, with the other oil sources available (such as those on and around the American continent), wouldn't you rather purchase oil that isn't radioactive?

*Not to mention the danger of using a mildly radioactive oil, as it would virtually create 'fallout' from it's exhaust pipe. And it would even be banned in many countries for this reason, as the effects would be cumulative and dire.

The world would be forced to rely on Oil from the Americas, and the Arctic... This could possibly precipitate such an attack 'fortress america', as we would have the only 'safe' oil.

*We banned lead because it was bad, imagine how the we would react to radioactive particles in our gas.

The "Unleaded" sign at the gas pump would be next to one reading "Unradiated" .

Awesome find, wish I had this game....

We played this for hours and hours...the whole night through. Another good one is Axis & Allies. The only backlash was the randomness through dice. The best ever war game is Diplomacy. These are all board games we grew up with.

Wow talk about bringing back memories of my youth. I have that exact game in the closet at my mother's house. I will pull it out and get a pic soon. Its also going for a nice chuck of change at E-Bay too.

We use to play that game quite a bit. The game reflects the height of the Cold War at the time and along with the release of Red Dawn -1984(a favorite of mine of all time). The idea that armies from Mexico and Latin America supported by the Soviet Union would invade the U.S. was an interesting concept at the time and made for a great Hollywood script.

The strategy favors the US over time because of the increased production in technology and resources and the shortened logistics distance. The Commies are limited in supplies over the long run as well. Its a great game that ranks up there with Axis and Allies.

At this point I would have to label the cover as an eerie coincidence. It would be interesting to find out who the artist was that did the cover.

Don't forget Stephen Jackson's Illuminati games. He does a nice job of hitting the nail on the head with 'random' future events.

[edit on 10/30/2007 by Swing Dangler]

Nice post OP!

I used to have this game years ago along with Axis and Allies. Both had beautiful layout designs and the rules took a while to get used to, especially Fortress USA. What struck me on this edition I had was the use of SDI satellites that one could control to zap out the opposition but it had to be re-energized and used once each round (I think).

The professional creative in me appreciated the hovertank designs and the miniature armies in the box. I truly think that the game was released right before the Tom Clancy 'craze' happened and shared similar intellectual sentiments of plausible scenarios.

I know for a fact there is an online Axis and Allies but I'm not sure about Fortress USA though. Although I'm an old school RPG-er myself though .

Try some WarHammer tabletop games. I've seen them and they're way more hardcore

The red, five-point star is a generic symbol often affiliated with socialism or communism.

Or, if you want to be creepier about it, it is also part of the Flag of California:

www.50states.com...

What a great find! Excellent!

Also ties in with "Red Dawn": the Latin American troop connection. I guess the only ones missing are the Chinese.

Thats sick!! I can't believe all of the things this box depicts. S&F. Good find!

I remember this. Wasn't MB the same company that made the WeeGee Board? Also, when did the US military adopt the Nazi style helment? I thought it was late '80's early '90's? Honestly, the movie Red Dawn was released a couple years earlier, so it was probably a play off of that.

anyone notice the V-22 Osprey in the center? kinda strange... full scale developent on it didnt even begin until 1986... sure it was on paper before then, but was it open information before '86? anyone know more about this?

I just looked around a bit and found a page that says it was declassified in 1988... same year the first prototype came out



[edit on 23-1-2009 by ManWithGrace89]

Excellent Post ! It is amazing at all the parallels in Science-Fiction and War games that are like theoretical simulations that show the underlying, universal connections Had to flag this and don't have much time for a reply but had to say something in support.

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Your name is Mike Boyd, you were in the 4th ID - My name is Gammage - I was with the 4ID - we were over there in 03. I wouldn't happen to know you, would I?

I'm a SSG now in Korea - what unit were you with, if you don't mind me asking? I was HHD, 1BCT under COL. Hickey out at FOB Raider in 03.

Originally posted by GiantKilr
Also, when did the US military adopt the Nazi style helment? I thought it was late '80's early '90's?

Deny Ignorannce! The German Stahlhelm helmet was designed for the Imperial German Army in 1916 during WWI. While it was adopted by the Nazi's they didn't design it.

Although the contour of the PASGT is frequently compared to the NAZI helmet, it was not deliberately modeled after the M-35. The slight similarity in contour is the result of the fact that the Germans and Natick used the same methods to determine the contour. Both relied on wound probabilities, equipment interaction studies, and the anthropometric data to establish the shape. The people at Natick do not like to hear their helmet compared to the German M-35. US helmet designers are very sensitive about this because one of the best steel helmet designs ever, the Slade #5, was rejected during WW I for looking too much like a German M-16.
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I think any resemblence in the design is coincidental and was utilized because it's what works the best.


To answer your question:

The PASGT Helmet was developed in 1975 and replaced the steel M1 Helmet in US service during the 1980s and first saw use in combat in 1983 during Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada

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Originally posted by MikeboydUS

Originally posted by Skyfloating
My vote goes more for "pre-sensing" or "artistic precognition" than conspiracy.

What do you think of the idea of the Logos using synchronistic messaging?

That's damn interesting, in my opinion...artistic precognition versus Logos-inspired synchronicity. Of course, if we knew which (if either) was accounting for this kind of vision, we'd know a fundamental truth of realty. In other words, we aren't likely to figure it out here.

Anyway, good find OP. I've played FA a few times, but I was really more of an Axis & Allies fan.

EDIT: cut my question that was already answered.


[edit on 23-1-2009 by Vault-D]

I think the later box art doesn't depict Saddam aged with a beard, I think they had to alter his image so it _didn't_ look like him. So they added the beard and shades.

Originally posted by ManWithGrace89
anyone notice the V-22 Osprey in the center? kinda strange... full scale developent on it didnt even begin until 1986... sure it was on paper before then, but was it open information before '86? anyone know more about this?

I just looked around a bit and found a page that says it was declassified in 1988... same year the first prototype came out



[edit on 23-1-2009 by ManWithGrace89]

According to this is was in full scale development by '86 and had already been flying around for the previous 5 years. I also read there were 3 crashes prior to it being declassified in '88. Even though it was classified lots of people must have worked on the program and things slip out. I wonder if the companies making proposals in '82 ever made press releases etc? I just think by '86 people at Milton Brothers and elsewhere could have been aware of the V22's existence without any inside info.

From wiki:

The Department of Defense began the Joint-service Vertical take-off/landing Experimental (JVX) aircraft program in 1981, first under U.S. Army leadership, then the U.S. Navy/Marine Corps later took the lead.[3][4] The JVX combined requirements from the Marine Corps, Air Force, Army and Navy.[5][6] A request for proposals (RFP) was issued in December 1982 for JVX preliminary design work. Interest in the program was expressed by Aérospatiale, Bell Helicopter, Boeing Vertol, Grumman, Lockheed, and Westland. The DoD pushed for contractors to form teams. Bell partnered with Boeing Vertol. The Bell Boeing team submitted a proposal for a enlarged version of the Bell XV-15 prototype on 17 February 1983. This was the only proposal received.

The JVX aircraft was designated "V-22 Osprey" on 15 January 1985. The USMC variant received the MV-22 designation and the Air Force variant received CV-22. This was reversed from normal procedure to prevent Marine Ospreys from having similar designations as aircraft carriers (CV).[8] Full-scale development of the V-22 tilt-rotor aircraft began in 1986.[1] The first V-22 was rolled out in May 1988. That same year the Army left the program citing a need to focus its budget on more immediate aviation programs

[edit on 23-1-2009 by warpboost]

very interesting post. after doing some quick research, here is something that may be of interest:

intelstrike.com...

news.zdnet.co.uk...

www.cia.gov...

this definitely establishes a link between the cia and hasbro. gilman louie is associated with hasbro and has prior intelligence community links. hasbro bought milton bradley company in 1984. Although the articles are more current than the release of the game in question, reading between the lines makes me think psyops, as a previous poster stated.

Hey, I used to own this game. I remember thinking it was really weird when we invaded the first time. Its not that big of a coincidence though. I remember reading an issue of WIRED (I think) that had a list of possible terrorist attacks that could occur. One of them involved a stadium and Osama bin laden. This was in the September 2001 issue of the magazine (before the 11th).