Originally posted by Icarus_Fallen
The simple fact of the matter is this: classical monotheism (E.G. Christianity) is antithetical to the key principle of enlightenment; which explains the fear-mongering mumble jumble in the OP.

[edit on 1/21/2009 by Icarus_Fallen]

Christianity as it is, is nothing more then Paulism. And if you read the Bible Paul was only asked to stop butchering Christians, nowhere was he given permission to undo the Gospel of Jesus. as per a wall or some place people shouldn't go, that is the drop off between Gnosticism and the Conventional Church. Some people cannot handle more then a simple rendition of reality.

In any stage of enlightenment, one shouldn't go into a stage of it without being ready. Skipping steps is problematic and dangerous. It is from within that you get guidance on whether you are sufficently prepared or not.

If your guidance is telling you not to proceeed at any given point, then heed it, and take it as it is- a message meant for YOU, right NOW. The loss of self consciousness is a major step, and does have it's risks to sanity. Listen to your highest guidance within.

Originally posted by Mr Green

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
He who talks, does not know.

but then how is any one else to know, if know one talks of the "sacred enlightenment" how are we to learn. I know we all must do this our selves but Ive learnt a lot from others who are further to enlightenment than me.

Why do Zen masters have students if no one is to talk of this?

I know absolute enlightenment can NOT be put into words its just a knowing, but to not actually talk about its journey seems just not helpful to me.

Maybe he who does not talk just does not know!

Enlightenment is not some esoteric stream of "Knowledge" beaming into ones head, it is more like a focused awareness. There is only now. You are awake, but also truley aware. Talking only disturbs this awareness.

You can learn just by watching a competent teacher. Easier said than done, I know. So just breathe, stop thinking, and for once just watch, observe life around you. What does it tell you?



....it is a search for a mindstate. Zen for example tries to bring it about through sudden or abrupt logic changes, or even randomly stiking students( hoping on a random enlightenment). But in reality, you just need to wake up. It is far easier to find this mindstate by actually seeing someone in this state...the subject is so big, humans have made religions about it and still failed.