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The Federal Budget and "We the People".....Why has everything gone so terribly wrong?

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posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 01:30 PM
As many of us here on the ATS forums (Who are Americans) have been facing an economic disaster for some time. though the total effects of governmental spending is just now hitting our country hard, it is obvious this has came about, and escalated, during the current disputes and wars we as a country are involved in.
We have managed to drive our current state of affairs into a "Tail Spin of Downward Motion" and there is very little positive out-look for eh near future of having this resolved. It is quite clearly stated in the "Descriptions of our federal government that there will be generations to come to pay for our inabilities in our faiths of our people in the federal governmental positions.

The 1974 act greatly reduced the president's role in the budget process—in particular, the president's responsibility of determining and recommending budget aggregates to Congress. Now, legislators could more readily ignore the president's recommendations and instead create for themselves, through budget resolutions, generous limits on budget aggregates. This arrangement allowed politicians more flexibility in setting spending priorities within the budget aggregates, thus pleasing their constituents. Not surprisingly, federal budget deficits grew.

There is clear evidence that this "New Wave" of economic stress comes as no coincidence to the people in-charge of our federally paid taxes and it's eventual distribution to the proper aggregates of their bidding, they have over exceeded the Federal government spending capability , and yet they just print more money to try and uphold the current recessions effects on our Nation. It is also relevant that these situations are and should be recognized by the general public, it is your money as much as mine. And there are stipulations to the power that our governmental offices hold, and without "Under Thumb" recognition of these acts, the federal government will continue to drive "ALL" of us less rich and none ownership business types to pay in the long run of predictability.
We have dealt with the scenarios from both the Presidential and House of Representatives and there is no way to determine the "Fault" factor between them. They are a very essential parts of our democracy, and we do need them, but we need them to represent us as a nation, and not as a nation that can answer to the skirmishes around the world, though we have accepted the aid from other countries, there is really no excuse for us as "Food Compound" for the world to allow the diminishing financial collapse of the entire planet. Governments as of lately have essentially driven us back to the time of the horse drawn buggies and growing our own food to eat scenario, and I want a voice, a voice for "WE THE PEOPLE" with out secular interferences of the powers that be.
Ever since the beginnings of America, we have relied on out side influences to allow us to be the country that were back in the early times. We prospered and grew to be the most important country in the world, and now we are viewed as nothing , or very close to a second world classification country. And for this I wish to address the current situations with you, my fellow Americans.
Ever since 1789 , when George Washington became our first President and John Adams our Vice-President, the government has gained unimaginable control over our countries affairs and solutions. I do so appreciate the on set of this particular event , for I'd rather live in the United States of America than anywhere else, bu the terms of and conditions of of current state of financial and governmental affairs has grown unacceptable and grossly incompetence for the welfare of it's citizens. Since the day and inceptions of the Constitution and the eventual bill of rights, it is a far cry of what this was depicted to be for the multitudes to carry on as a nation of respect and strong moral standings, teh more time that goes by, the more e are paying for the people of these situations to spend and cut where they wish to. It is wrong, and it has to be stopped before we are all in a soup line with all of our neighbors and friends, we will be reduced to nothing more than an "Atrocity" of governmental insubordination and lack of consideration because "We" have been put on the back burner's of the political stove. When Hamilton had contrived the economic status of the USA and implemented the acts of self supported government, I don't think he had in mind for these governmental trivial and incorrect disbursement's of tax payer's funds to be cause such a chaotic and irrehensible effect on it's people. These acts, since the time of the Washington era, have gained so much control over how we live and die, that there is little left to do other than openly complain to get these important points to get across for recognition of the devastation that we will inevitably pay for because of political idiosyncrasies without disclosure or votes from us, under such duress and financial turmoil, of where and how the so called "Bail Out" money should be divided, not only for our industrial society, but for the common man, the one's who have lost their job's, can't feed their kid's, choosing between medicines and food, living off of "Earned" social security benefits check or to those people that are getting foreclosure notices and being put on the street, only t have the companies of these foreclosure's sell their homes for the "TAXES" of cost and literally doing all the financial management ass backwards.
If you live in America, you know what I mean by my statements, it is little to no secret that while the politicians and the people of higher authority of our country get fatter, and more corrupt I may add, there is true woes for the basic population from these apparently "Governmental Attended beliefs" that we are no longer a diplomatic and humanitarian country, in stead the government has pushed us into a point of over all "Forfeiture" of our personal pride and and the pride for our country.
Obama will soon be sworn in, and since his nomination, he has retracted on several different thing's that had gotten him into office. It is left to be seen exactly what is going to happen under his leadership, but I fear the worst, he has the same ideologies and intentions as GW Bush, and that means more of everything bad for the USA citizens. I will give the benefit of the doubt to Mr. Obama, bu the truth be told, and before he was ever in office officially, he has created even more of a dilemma with even more bipartisan and industrial, Big money banks and the elitist counter parts for the first shot at these reserves, makes no since, and it only allows for more trouble and subsequent economic and societal crash.
I have been looking into the exact positions that "We" the civilians have on these scenarios, and by all the studying , there is principle for the taking governmental ideologies with a simple fact of mismanagement and unfair tax expectations in the form of "Political Question".

Political Question
An issue that the federal courts refuse to decide because it properly belongs to the decision-making authority of elected officials.
Political questions include such areas as the conduct of foreign policy, the ratification of constitutional amendments, and the organization of each state's government as defined in its own constitution. The rule preventing federal courts from deciding such cases is called the political question doctrine. Its purpose is to distinguish the role of the federal judiciary from those of the legislature and the executive, preventing the former from encroaching on either of the latter. Under the rule, courts may choose to dismiss cases even if they have jurisdiction over them. However, the rule has no precise formulation, and its development since the 1960s has sometimes been unpredictable.

Though the Judiciary parts of governmental and social relations does not usually insight such charges, it will have more credential optimisms by way of current affairs between all these expenditures and aggregates of these spending before the conscious welfare of it's people, what they are doing is basically against teh constitution we so rightly and openly accept as our for most indoctrination as a governmental ruled country, and we as a society have a right to retain this as a "Constitutional Right" and we should.
If the Judiciary branch of our government seems a proper reason for handing the senate, congressional and presidential actions as unacceptable, the public would have more of a say in what and how these events should be handled and how the money should be a lotted for the whole of the country, it also can be expiated for we are truly a country in distress, both financially and morally, which in all actuality supports the civilian cry's of these situations being a factual and true derivative of governmental irresponsibility.

Perhaps the greatest impediments to a balanced budget amendment, or any other meaningful reform of the federal budget, are the sacrifices faced by U.S. citizens: to have their taxes raised and their spending programs cut. Whether Congress, the president, and the public will make these sacrifices to reduce and perhaps eliminate the federal deficit is an engaging Political Question.

So, with that being said, and knowing there is more than just myself that feels this way about how thing's have been handled, let's get down to the truths and current situations at hand and stop these events from going any farther, we have the ability as a "Whole" bu tit must be done wit the voices of all of us to maintain a country with respect and dignity as it once was.

Washington:warned against the dangers of factional political parties, which could ruin a nation.

posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 01:44 PM
if you people really think something wierd is going on then do something otherwise just sit back and let the events unfold.

posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 02:25 PM
You are going really Deep into the area of the Federal Budget...

The backlash response to the Govt regulations that was focused on
politically correctness which allowed the 'un-able to pay' types & the disadvantaged to buy a house way-above-their-means...

and the money hungry brokers/dealers/agents in search of a big commission, who cut corners to set-up the arrangements...
were the 'official' starters of the present crisis.

the short answer as to ?Why, has everything gone so Wrong?...
un-regulated business dealings!
the creation of 50 economies worth of 'derivatives', which are based on
nothing but "debt claims"...and 'debt claims' are fake or counterfiet
& are nothing more than exotic 'betting slips' between the monied entities....

the rest of the world & basic financial industries, including regular banks
deal in instruments that at 'Capital Claims'...
there's a big, difference between the two !


see the above link for a better vision of what's going on,


posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 07:49 PM
I actually feel a bit sorry for ALL of our "elected" government officials. I'm afraid they are but puppets.

This Is Why Everything Has Gone So Terribly Wrong

"Follow The Money", and go after the World Plutocracy. Maybe we can find some TRUE Patriots in our Intelligence & Law Enforcement communities around the World to go after them!

There's A Very Timely New Movie Coming Out For Us On This Subject ! Looks Awesome !

Just substitute the REAL Central Bank OF Central Banks, the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) for the IBBC (International Bank of Business and Credit) in the movie.


Coming February 13

In The International, an edge-of-your-seat action thriller, Interpol Agent Louis Salinger (Clive Owen) and Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Eleanor Whitman (Naomi Watts) are determined to bring to justice one of the world's most powerful banks. Uncovering illegal activities including money laundering, arms trading, and the destabilization of governments, Salinger and Whitman's investigation takes them from Berlin to Milan to New York and to Istanbul. Finding themselves in a high-stakes chase across the globe, their relentless tenacity puts their own lives at risk as the bank will stop at nothing - even murder - to continue financing terror and war.

Official Movie Sites:

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posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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Atoms...did you direct this movie or are you going to receive money from it's box office earnings?

You've posted this same post numerous times on other threads.

posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 08:58 PM


I just find it VERY apropos

posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 09:30 AM
St Udio,

You say I have went "Too Deep" into the Federal budget?
Where do you think that the big money lenders for home ownership originally came from, "The Federal Gov." because of Bush's proposed plan of living the "American dream, everybody should be a home owner" speech.
If you have confidence in your views of the money lenders being the actual blame for these situations, "That's your opinion" and for the record, "Where did these particular investor banks go with their 'Big Idea's' of how this would all pan out, they are just as responsible as the people that "Tried" to better their lives for their families and themselves, but the initial incentive and back up from these foreclosures came from good ole Uncle SAM, by way of the decision's made in the Federal gov..

Can't get "Embed" to work for video, go to and type in "Destruction of Lives and The American Dream of Homeownership" or cut and paste this watch the vid and then you can see what this thread was ment to achieve.

(Damn ATS control features!!!!)

Thanks for posting, but the way thing's are at this particular time, wouldn't be surprised to find out they )The Gov.) has a 'Special' list of who gets what first, and those entities are or have nothing to do with the civilian sector other than to get the money from them, then foreclose just to resell the mortgaged properties for yet another round of foreclosure.

What I had initially posted was the fact that we have something to rely on that was meant to protect the citizens of the US from this exact type of governmental action, but yet no one has made the call on this evident "Bluff" of caring for the Nations people.

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posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 09:48 AM
reply to post by atoms.2008

I actually feel a bit sorry for ALL of our "elected" government officials. I'm afraid they are but puppets.

The US citizens are more of teh "Puppet" clarification than the political parties of discussion, they are in a frame of mind that would allow such thing's of this nature to destroy our country and what ever happens t the people, is fine by them, the money hungry, war mongering and sociopathic individuals that have nothing to loose and can wait for as long as it takes.

Reference to that movie you posted is probably close ot whats happening, but it has it's "Insights" based on the "Tip of the Iceberg" analogy.

Thanks for posting, I'll be watching for the movie!!!

posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 09:59 AM
St Udio

Hopefully this will work for the youtube vid, not sure, this sites control features seem to be always on the fritz, even the reply to button doesn't work very often.
Didn't work again, just cut and past the title below into youtube website, it will bring you right to it. "Enjoy the watch." And the US government has committed a crime of a more serious nature, whether you like it or not.

Destruction of Lives and The American Dream of Homeownership

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posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 11:48 AM
For you people out there that find these thing's as nothing more than the blame going to the "Money Lenders" of the after math of these scenario's, "Please understand that the event's unfolded as a weak presidential reimplementation of the Republican party came and was very evident when the Democratic party was favored."

Thursday, September 25, 2008

From shying away from even mentioning such terms as “recession,” “unemployment” or “bank failures,” Bush, Bernanke and Paulson are now vigorously invoking the fear of financial meltdown as part of a campaign of economic terror to blackmail the American people into accepting the power-grabbing “bailout,” while John McCain, who last week said the fundamentals of the economy are strong, is now all but threatening to cancel the election should the proposal not receive swift passage.
Bush’s speech last night was a throwback to his March 2003 stump before the invasion of Iraq - replace words like “weapons of mass destruction” with “financial panic” and the tone of the two is not dissimilar.
Bush rammed home the fear by appealing to people’s personal anxieties.
“More banks could fail, including some in your community. The stock market would drop even more, which would reduce the value of your retirement account. The value of your home could plummet. Foreclosures would rise dramatically,” barked the President.
“And if you own a business or a farm, you would find it harder and more expensive to get credit. More businesses would close their doors, and millions of Americans could lose their jobs.”

And there have been people of a higher order to protect and serve the US citizens, but are being, or are have been tempted to sway with these illegal acts against the American populous as a whole, it is in the reporters interviews and reports from almost all major newspapers and investigations of our political parties, not excluding the position of the president, enough to intuitively have enough evidence to be able to thwart these events and bring them to a Federal Court theatre.

Monday, September 29, 2008

Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur boldly slammed the bailout bill this past weekend as the work of criminal insiders who have shut down the normal legislative process to commit “high financial crimes” and defraud the American people, while Rep. Michael Burgess warns that “martial law” has been declared.
The two Congress members are part of a growing minority of representatives sounding the alarm about the dictatorial nature of the bailout bill, which is expected to be up for a vote in the House today, with most in Congress having not had the opportunity to even read the legislation.
The bill is expected to reach the Senate on Wednesday as a raft of outraged politicians cry foul about being strong-armed and accused of being unpatriotic for opposing the carte-blanche passage of a piece of legislation that fundamentally centralizes control of the financial infrastructure of the country into the hands of the government and the Federal Reserve.
“We are Constitutionally sworn to protect and defend this Republic against all enemies foreign and domestic. And my friends there are enemies,” Kaptur told the House floor.
“The people pushing this deal are the very ones who are responsible for the implosion on Wall Street. They were fraudulent then and they are fraudulent now.”
“My message to the American people don’t let Congress seal this deal. High financial crimes have been committed,” added the Democrat from Ohio.
“The normal legislative process has been shelved. Only a few insiders are doing the dealing, sounds like insider trading to me. These criminals have so much political power than can shut down the normal legislative process of the highest law making body of this land,” Kaptur concluded.
Elsewhere, Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX) said that the only information he had received about the bailout was what talking points to use on the American people and that he had been thrown out of meetings for not blindly supporting the bill.
Ominously, Burgess also comments, “Mr. Speaker I understand we are under Martial Law as declared by the speaker last night.”
Absent any proper hearings concerning the legislation, Burgess called for the legislation to at least be posted on the Internet for 24 hours so that the American people could “see what we have done in the dark of night.”

We as a community an civilians of the United States of America have been denied the right to envision a practical and invasive way to appropriate these funds amongst the people, and not to the "Big 3's" or the "Banks of Topic" or the like, housing market "F-ed" up itself, and they shouldn't be allowed to take and default these people they have now foreclosed on, creating a more dire situation than before. All these thing's are considered "Criminal Acts" and this being the most immense and wide spread of all "Criminal Acts" should allow those of interest to be prosecuted and held responsible.
On the other hand, if you wish to have your children's children and grandchildren to pay for these "Political Blunders" then you have more money than most, but from a person that has questions and are afraid to ask for fear from their governments impressionism's, we stand as nothing more than scared guinea pig's and allowing the PTb's an experimental subject. "We can sue or thwart the government from continuing their out right "Acts Against their People" but it will take the advent of all voices."
This is not just my personal opinion, it is a time for a major "Reality Check" for the multitude's of the US, to better preserve our way of life as it was intended by the Constitution of the United States of America.

Not to mention how our current representatives are squandering away our future by investments that are not necessary or even acceptable as a "US Interest" investment.

Wasted? Bailout bill subsidizes rum
In 2012, Diageo, the parent company of Captain Morgan, will move its operation from Puerto Rico to the Virgin Islands in exchange for more of the excise tax money. Puerto Rico has been giving Diageo a small fraction of its excise tax revenue. The Virgin Islands will give Diageo close to half of its share.
Diageo said that without that lucrative deal, it would have left the U.S. territories for a country where it could operate more cheaply, and the Virgin Islands would have ended up with nothing. This way, the company argues, it is keeping jobs in the U.S. territories.
But critics say the Virgin Islands is setting a bad precedent by being so generous to the world’s largest liquor company, which is based in London and had $4.2 billion in operating profits last year.
"To give the people's money away to a foreign company replete with cash and equity is mind-boggling," said Virgin Islands territorial Sen. Neville James. "There is economic development and then there's giving away the ranch. These flat giveaways of excise tax rebates create a cause for concern.”
For decades, Congress has been giving Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands most of the excise taxes the islands’ rum-makers pay for each proof gallon of rum they sell within the United States. Puerto Rico, which has four rum-makers, gets about $400 million a year. The Virgin Islands, which has one, gets about $80 million. The federal government keeps about $9 million.

And the government was aware of these interactions "PRE"- recession situation, The US government has to be revamped to an extreme measure, and it will be the citizens of the US that will ultimately pay for these "Redundant and Unacceptable" explanations of the so called "Best in mind for the Nation" proclamations for the US investments.

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