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posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 04:32 AM
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As some here may know, I recently made a thread called "Revisionist Zionism: A Lie Called Self-Defense". In this thread, I gave an accurate history about Revisionist Zionism, how it hi-jacked Zionism, the terrorism it used to meet its goals, and how it is now involved in the Israeli government today.

In this thread, I am going to go into Palestinian Terrorism. I will dive into how extremists manipulating the beaten down population of Palestine, use them to further their own terrorism. It will take a look at a history of Palestine, a history of who is at the root of the terrorism, and what their intent is. Furthermore, I will go into the manipulation of "freedom fighting" and how that is being used as a tool to slaughter innocent Israeli people, and others alike.



Part One: History of Palestine



To start, in reality, Palestine as we think of it today, did not exist in that form until after WW1. Before WW1 it was the Ottoman empire, it was briefly Egyptian as well, but that little bit is not important. What is important is the creation of Palestine at the end of WW1.

What initially happened was both Arabs in the region, and Jewish people around the world, were made a promise to statehood and independent rule. Both were being told they would get the same land. Multiple agreements were being made that, although were not directly contradictory, would later cause obvious conflict.

The Balfour declaration essentially promised Jewish people a future homeland on Palestine. The Hussein-McMahon Correspondence essentially promised the Arabs that they would be divided up, then given statehood, and eventually independent rule. The Faisal-Weizmann Agreement attempted to unite both sides of that by supporting the immigration of Jews into Palestine, while creating a large Arab state in the Syria region. When the large Arab state didn't materialize, pressure from the Islamic community became thick.

As a result, Faisal changed his stance, and now wanted Palestine as part of the new Arab state in Syria. This was an issue.

As a result, Great Britain was granted mandate of Palestine. Britain now attempted to make sure that Palestine and Jordan would not be merged. They were successful in 1922, at the League Of Nations they put forth a memorandum which excluded Trans-Jordan from all the provisions dealing with Jewish settlement. It was passed the next day. Inside though, was a clause allowing Britain to postpone or permanently freeze all the provisions that dealt with a Jewish National Homeland.

This meant that the part west of the Jordan river would be Palestine, and east of the Jordan river, Jordan. This would insure that Jordan and Palestine would not be absorbed into each other.

British members of government made it subtle but clear that they did not want to make Palestine a Jewish state, merely make room for the Jewish people to settle there. This comes as little surprise as Britain, in reality, had little desire to create a Jewish state, rather just appease the Jewish population with a homeland. Britain often did little to further the cause of a Jewish state, and sometime did more to hinder its creation, which would later lead to attacks on it from Irgun.

So now Palestine is officially in existence. But at this point, violence is already starting to break out, and riots are already starting to spark in Palestine.

This is because under the Mandate, Jewish immigration increased dramatically. As a result, the Mufti of Jerusalem started anti-semitic hate speech, including claims about how the Jews threatened the Haram, or Islamic holy sites. This was untrue, but this did not stop the Mufti from saying such things.


Part Two: Mufti Of Jerusalem



The Mufti of Jerusalem is a Sunni Muslim Cleric in charge of the Islamic holy places in Jerusalem. He is the top authority of the Muslim people in Palestine. It is always appointed by the government.

In 1921, it was time to appoint a new Mufti, and Britain was the government in charge, given the mandate. So the British High Commissioner decided to pardon Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, who had fought for the Ottoman Empire during WW1, and make him the Mufti of Jerusalem.

Mohammad Amin al-Husayni was born to the Mufti of Jerusalem in the late 1800's. The Mufti then was an early opponent to any form of Zionism, of Jewish return to Jerusalem, which was being proposed at the time. At 19, he joined the Ottoman army when WW1 broke out.

in 1918 he was disabled for three months an when he returned to Jerusalem, British armies had taken over Syria and Palestine, and were fighting the Turks. British, saying they were there to liberate, enlisted Al-Husayni to fight with them and recruit more Arabs to fight with them.

In 1919, after the war, Al-Husayni expressed a great deal of anger toward the British. He would comment how the native Jews were not threatening but that the new immigrant Jews were politically different, and that they were the cause of the problems in Russia at the time because of their political beliefs. That they were the reason for the terrorism there as well. He also was quoted saying, "Arabs fear the Jew as a ruler, regarding his race as one of the most intolerant known to history". Not to mention he felt the new Jewish immigrants were a serious economical threat.

He started inciting riots, causing excessive damage to Jewish property. In 1921 he became the Mufti of Jerusalem. The Supreme Muslim Council which controlled a great deal of funds was invented in 1921. In 1923, Al-Husayni became the president. This gave him control of the courts in Palestine.

Al-Husayni rallied Muslims to rebuild the holy sites of Jerusalem, to build a nationalistic sense of pride in Palestine. He then used that pride to repel Jewish immigrants, saying they would threaten these holy sites. This lead to increasing tension between the Jewish people and the Muslims, now that this war for the holy site had been restored and reinvigorated.

He essentially sparked hate and fear within his Muslim community, spreading the fire of anti-semitic feelings. He was behind many of the early riots, and spread hate of the Jews whenever he could. He is the first and one of the earliest proponents into why Palestine would never get along with the Jewish population. He took a wedge and furthered the divide, creating an extremist rift on both sides.



Part Three: Riots In Palestine



Later on during the later 1920's Jewish people introduce collapsible seats and a screen to separate the men from the woman at one of the holy sites. This was an issue for the Muslims, they said that the Jews were altering the holy site and "essentially made it into a synagogue".

Police came and forcefully removed the screen, which caused a clash between police and worshiper. This resulted in an outcry from the Jewish community. The Jewish people protested worldwide about the violence used against the worshipers.

Soon after, rumors and propaganda flew on both sides, allowing tensions to escalate extremely high. Jewish people marched in Arab quarters waving flags of Israel, chanting the Wall Is Ours. Muslims protested by ripping up prayer books at the Wall and tearing Wall Petitions down.

Rumors again flew about imminent attacks of Jews by Muslims, and rumors of Jews trashing the Haram. On the 17th, a Jewish boy was stabbed by an Arab, and an Arab was badly beaten by a group of Jews. On the 23rd, three Arabs were murdered in the Jewish quarter of town. Large crowds of Muslims started to convene with sticks and knives. Al-Husayni attempted to try and promote pacific action. People started to accuse Al-Husayni of being an infidel to the Muslim cause. Al-Husayni is believed to have sent an urgent message for police reinforcement at the Haram.

It was a day of Muslim prayer, and another radical Muslim preacher, Muzaffir called for calm as well. Similar accusations were hurled at him. Shortly after, an attack was launched on the Jewish quarters. The riots lasted days. 135 Jews died, 136 Arabs died, and many more were injured.



Part Four: The Great Uprising



Violence and tension continued from 1929 to 1935. In 1935, tensions increase more as organization petitions of Jewish immigration became more mobile. In 1935 locals started to organize about stopping the removal of workers from the land. This picked up speed and by a couple months in, they were no longer paying taxes until Jewish immigration came to a halt.

Violence started to pick up and attacks on railways became popular. They would attack supplies going to Jewish communities. The violence spread to Jewish communities. In late October of 1936 the strike was temporarily called of and violence slowed to a halt for a short time. The Peel Commission rejected partition of Palestine and the violence resumed. Commissioner Andrew of Nazareth was assassinated in 1937. The violence continued till 1939 where it died out because of French crackdown on its leaders.

The organized movement did not achieve its goals, but it did help in the formation of the White Papers, in 1939.

[edit on 17-1-2009 by grimreaper797]




posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 04:32 AM
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Part Five: The White Paper of 1939



The White Paper of 1939 is a very important part I left out of my last piece, Revisionist Zionism, because I felt it would more aptly fit here.

The White Papers declared an end to the original plan they had come up with to create a Jewish homeland in Israel. This was in 1939. The new plan was to create an independent Palestinian government, with a population of Jews and Arabs. The population was restricted though and the Jewish population had to remain lower than the Arab population. Also, immigration was severely limited.

One quote in section one of the White Papers reads:

avalon.law.yale.edu...


with the Royal Commission, His Majesty's Government believe that the framers of the Mandate in which the Balfour Declaration was embodied could not have intended that Palestine should be converted into a Jewish State against the will of the Arab population of the country...

But this statement has not removed doubts, and His Majesty's Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State.


This was simply unacceptable to the Jewish population. At this time, many Jewish people were fleeing Europe as the holocaust was taking place.



The objective of His Majesty's Government is the establishment within 10 years of an independent Palestine State....The independent State should be one in which Arabs and Jews share government...


The hope for a Jewish state is lost in these White Papers essentially. Refer to the source on immigration to see how Britain effectively limited immigration of Jewish people into Palestine.

As a result. Militant Zionist groups took aim at Britain, and engaged in illegal immigration practices, resulting in a flood of Jewish settlers. This enraged the Palestinian people. But the Zionist attacks were successful as a combination of factors caused the British to give up attempting to resolve the Palestine issue, and eventually left, leaving it up to the newly formed UN.


Part Six: The UN and Palestine



With the UN in control of the issue of how Palestine should be handled, Zionists had renewed hope in the official declaration of a Jewish state, while the Palestinians were getting tense over the prospect. Tensions continued.

In 1947 the UN stepped in and spent months debating what to do in Palestine. Eventually they decided to divide the land. The Arab population, rife with propaganda and hate filled speech, was far too radicalized by this time, to ever agree to such terms. The past 30 years of anti-semitic speech, radicalization to fight the Jewish immigration, and the fears places in their minds about the Jewish threat, was impossible to overcome.

The Arab nations rejected the proposal to divide the lands. The Arab League met to determine a military solution to the problem they faced. Britain soon after essentially said it was impossible to solve and in 1948 they ended the mandate.


Part Seven: War and The Aftermath



Britain ended the mandate, Israeli declared independence, and the Arab nations geared up for war.

Guess who comes back into the picture? Al-Husayni. He brings an army to fight the new state of Israel. He recruited volunteers then set out to blockade Jewish people in Israel. As a result, Israel was sending convoys, but it was an impractical tactic and more and more died as a result. Al-Husaynis tactics were working and hundreds upon hundreds of Israeli soldiers attempting to supply the Israel people were killed by Al-Husayni and his army.

The Israelis got themselves organized and retaliated, freeing up the blockade and killing Al-Husayni in combat. Unfortunately, they also went on to commit massacres like Deir Yassin which further enraged the Arab people, creating more of a divide and more hate between the Arabs and the Israelis.

Massacres continued and Palestinians started to flee in large numbers. 250,000 is the estimate that is given today.

Fighting continued and eventually the invasion from the Arab nations resulted. Arab nations attacks quickly became a failure as they were outnumbered by the fast growing IDF. The IDF managed to inflict heavy losses to most of the Arab armies, and managed to expand their positions.

The UN attempted to mediate and created a temporary cease-fire in mid 1948. This negotiation was led by Folke Bernadotte. This failed and the war resumed roughly a month or two after.

Israel launched a series of offensive, taking a few important cities. Mass exoduses occurred as a result.

Shortly after the UN again attempt to resolve the conflict. Folke Bernadotte returned once again to negotiate a resolution to the conflict. Neither side agreed to the terms, and the next day, Lehi, a Zionist militant organization, assassinated Folke Bernadotte.

Israel launched more offensives which were mostly successful. The UN finally stepped in a third time with a resolution to end the conflict.

In 1949, Armistice agreements were signed between Israel and its aggressors, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria. Egypt and Jordan occupied the Palestinian lands that Israel did not take.

The UN concluded that 711,000 Palestinian people were displaced from their homes during the war. It is noted this number does not include Palestinians inside Israel lands.

As a result, anti-semitic viewpoints flourished in Palestine. The call for violence among the Palestinian leaders grew. Which leads us to the current day terrorists.


Part Eight: Terrorism In Palestine



It doesn't take long to find examples of terrorism from Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.

www.independent.co.uk...


Up to 14 people were killed in two separate suicide bombs in Israel last night when Hamas fulfilled its threat to exact revenge for the assassination of militants.

In the second, nearly five hours hours later, another Palestinian bomber struck at the Café Hillel, a new and popular venue in the heart of Jerusalem's German Colony.


archives.cnn.com...


A suicide bomber killed at least 19 people and injured 172 at a popular seaside hotel Wednesday, the start of the Jewish religious holiday of Passover. At least 48 of the injured were described as "severely wounded."


I don't need to remind people of the atrocities these terrorist commit, we all remember them well.

The issue is the groups that are causing them. Groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah which condone attacks on innocent people are not fighting the war that was being fought back in 1948, they are fighting their own war and using Freedom Fighting as an excuse.

They use it as manipulation. That whole background I listed before all leads up to this. The manipulation of the Palestinian people to fight terrorist groups own personal wars. They tell them they are helping them fight for their freedom as Palestinians, and that its righteous what they are doing.

They are taking all that history you just read and manipulating it to fit their own personal goals. Where was Hamas and Hezbollah in 1948? They didn't exist. They aren't fighting for the same reasons the Arabs were fighting half a century ago, but they are using it to manipulate the people who got the short end of the stick as a result of that history.

Remember who the real enemies of this war are, the people who kill innocent people. The people who show complete disregard for innocent life, or intentionally kill innocents to spread fear.

Remember that every one in Palestine isn't part of Hamas, and that not every Arab is looking for an innocent persons blood to shed. Remember that not every Israeli person is calling for their government to bomb everything that might be a threat, even if it kills numerous innocent people.

Remember that their are innocent people on both sides, and that people are being exploited by terrorists on both sides.


Hamas are terrorists, they continue to kill innocent people. The Israel government are terrorists, they kill innocent people just the same. Neither one of them are the good guys. Neither one of them are fighting to defend anything. Neither one of them care about that damage they do to those around them.

Both groups need to be stopped.


Grimreaper797

[edit on 17-1-2009 by grimreaper797]



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 04:48 AM
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I tried to shorten this article as the other one, even trimmed down was quite long. This one isn't even two complete posts, so hopefully everyone will take the time to read it.

(I hope everyone reads both so you get both sides to the story.)



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 05:46 AM
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And what freedom did the Palestinians lose when Hamas was elected? Even EGYPT locked down its borders knowing Hamas was a bunch of animals. Before Hamas took over the Palestinians in Gaza had open borders with Egypt and mostly with Israel(checkpoints) and stuff. Before Israel didn't feel the need too invade to kill said animals after being attacked non stop for years. Before Hamas they had freedom. After? Well, they can't speak out against Hamas because Hamas will kill them. And Hamas kills as many Palestinians as the Jews do. Oops, rocket misfires. Oops, Palestinian spoke out against Hamas his entire family is killed. Oops they pissed off Egypt and now Egypt shoots at them. Hamas messed every thing up for the Palestinian people. Who knows they may have had things a lot better off if it wasn't for Hamas pissing off Egypt and Israel.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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So basically what you are saying is....you didn't read anything in this thread either? Way to go.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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Very informative piece you wrote out.


Hamas are terrorists, they continue to kill innocent people. The Israel government are terrorists, they kill innocent people just the same. Neither one of them are the good guys. Neither one of them are fighting to defend anything. Neither one of them care about that damage they do to those around them.

Both groups need to be stopped.


In a way I have to agree with you on this. The million dollar question is how to stop them. Even after this is over, I expect to see them go after each other once again.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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There lies the big question. That is something I think will take more than just one person to figure out. I have no personal solutions to the conflict. A cease fire needs to be put in effect and dialogue needs to be started up. The outcome is predictable, both side disagreeing completely who has right to the land, etc. etc.

Anyone with creative solutions, feel free to post those in this thread as well.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 12:54 PM
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Nice try. Your entire summary of the thread was inept to say the least. Do you think Palestinians were happy before HAMAS? Israel was the same oppressor before HAMAS, which is why HAMAS got into power, because they promised to curb the oppression.

You always continue to see only one side of this debate, and it is a testimony to your inability to think objectively. Even though your young and impressionable, you should scrutinize your influences.

You spend too much time justifying Israel with meritless references from the likes of Egypt and others.

Hopefully you'll grow and learn to see from a fair heart. And if case you don't understand, a fair heart NEVER justifies murder. It is condemned on all sides.

OP, great threads.



AAC




[edit on 17-1-2009 by AnAbsoluteCreation]



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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Since the Goose laid the "Golden Egg" here:

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said during an argument in front of reporters::


"Netanyahu established Hamas, gave it life, freed Sheikh Yassin and gave him the opportunity to blossom," he said, adding that the current political situation in the Palestinian Authority came about "because of the nonsense that was done while Netanyahu was prime minister."


Clearly, Hamas is nothing more than a special operations group that was established by Israel to destroy the PLO and now is being used to justify an invasion of Gaza.

What more needs to be said? The whole thing is about resources and who controls them. These Palestinians are now the helpless lamb being visibly gutted by Israel in order to provoke a larger confrontation by Iran or Jordan or any Arab nations. The ones that stand fast with the USA have already been assimilated.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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Grim. But the problem is far greater than most can see. What has happened in the ME is just part of a very grand plan and one that will take decades to complete. History has shown us that some changes come about very quickly and others happen over a prolonged period of time.

What is happening in Israel has nothing to do with terrorism or anything else, that is merely the vehicle that is used to achieve a planned objective.

That objective is for the formation of a greater Israel which when completed will stretch into Iraq, SA, Syria Jordan and Eygpt. The objective is to ensure that the oil reserves come under a pro Wstern state and one controlled by the West. Without support from the West mainly the US/UK Israel would not exist today. The fact that we give so much support to the Jews is simply not a case of because we like them. they serve a purpose and that purpose is to be a bulwark between the Arab nations and the oil reserves which is the life blood of Western democracies.

All this was planned a long time ago, ww1 had nothing to do with one man being killed in Europe but it had alot to doth with the British discovering oil in Iraq. Ever since then we have done everything in our power to control oil. The West has backed anyone who would prevent loss of the oil supply. It did not matter if Saddam Insane tortured and slaughtered people as long as he was a bulwark against radical Islam in Iran that was fine.

Iran itself is what it is because of meddling and interference from the UK/US. When they were going to nationalise the oil companies in the 50's we had the President murdered, and murder and mayhem ensued. But Israel wa always our trump card. Whatever plans fell apart there was always Israel to fall back on. Now we are witnesing part of the continuing process, the Balkanisation of Iraq with Iran soon to follow. The agenda is is to break up all of the ME into small entities that can be easily controlled but with a greater Israel in control, the West's patsy if you like.

But when the oil does run out well then Israel will have served its purpose and they will be thrown to the wolves as all others have before them.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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I think u went off on a tangent with some great points! they certainly are relevant to this issue of Palestinian independence. After Grimreapers great post, I hope some people unfamaliar with the real history of Palestine, get informed more. This conflict is truly ugly and very old. I hope that the True Palestine's receive help and aid from all the states around them, so they can get rid of Hammas, and start rebuilding new desalinization plants and be able to irrigate their lands again and also be provided the hvy equipment and training necessary to build new farms and infrastructure so they can be truly an independent and free society



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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This sounds like every post I have posted on ATS?? But yes war has nothing to do with religion or revenge. RESOURCES are everything.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Al Husseini did not die in battle he died in exile never allowed by even the Arabs to ever return to Jeruselem again. Your revisionist history is a load of bull or you used sources that were a load of bull.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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Thank you for taking the time to post this thread,was a long read but worth it and showed me a lot of the history I had not known in that region.

I think the white paper we produced in 39,were a response to Hitler and making sure that the arabs in the surrounding area were friendly to us(we needed their oil!)It clearly set out that Jews couldnt buy any more land outside their settlements and restricted imagration.

The brits lost a lot of troops out there from both sides,inlcuding the two soldiers who were strung up by zionists and their bodies booby trapped.

Both sides are indeed guilty,but I see the Zionist movement as being the real terror maker here.They bombed the brits out,now there bombing other people with state of the art weapons.
If america didnt supply these then they would resort to what Hamas does now as they clearly were terrorists
www.britains-smallwars.com...



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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I wonder how many Jews and Christians have been driven out by Muslim Arab social cleansing over history including the stopping of religious freedoms that become capital puishments. And people wonder why minorities like Jews have no where to stay. Sounds like why Jesus was born in a manger when no one gave them a place to stay, in the end he was rejected by mankind and killed, same with the Jews just on a large scale and like Jesus as a baby there was a ruler in search to kill all infants from 0-2 years of age, like Israel being born again but rejected by all sides.

[edit on 17-1-2009 by The time lord]



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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Watch Clip...


Anwar Sadat Said:

"It was very simple.
Germany is the enemy of our enemy, England.
So, the enemy of our enemy is our friend!"

Why were they so down on England? Is there something that England promised to do by T E Lawrence? Was it not the Arabs that did the fighting against the Turks and spent years disrupting the Germans quest for the Berlin-Baghdad Railway.


The Sultan, Abdul Hamid II, on November 27, 1899, awarded Deutsche Bank, headed by Georg von Siemens, a concession for a railway from Konia to Baghdad and to the Persian Gulf. In 1888 and again in 1893, the Sultan had assured the Anatolian Railway Company that it should have priority in the construction of any railway to Baghdad. On the strength of that assurance, the Anatolian Company had conducted expensive surveys of the proposed line. As part of the railway concession, the shrewd negotiators of the Deutsche Bank, led by Karl Helfferich, negotiated subsurface mineral rights twenty kilometers to either side of the proposed Baghdad Railway line.[22] Deutsche Bank and the German government backing them made certain that included the sole rights to any petroleum which might be found. The Germans had scored a strategic coup over the British, or so it seemed. Mesopotamian oil secured through completion of the Berlin-Baghdad Railway was to be Germany’s secure source to enter the emerging era of oil-driven transport.



Systematically, Britain took measures to secure her exposed flank in Mesopotamia. By 1899, Britain had secured a 99-year exclusive agreement between Britain and Kuwait, nominally part of the debt-ridden and militarily weak Ottoman Empire from the unscrupulous Shaikh Mubarak-al-Sabah. By 1907 they had converted it to a ‘lease in perpetuity.’


Hence, the real reason for WW1 RESOURCE CONTROL. Thanks to the Arabs the League of Nations got their oil and the Arabs got nothing and ultimately lost Palestine.


In 1905, through the machinations of British spy, Sidney Reilly, Lord Strathcona, secured exclusive rights to Persian oil resources and what in 1909 became the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, after discovery of oil there in 1908. The company negotiated an agreement with Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty, shortly before World War I, for major financial backing by the British Government in return for secure oil for the Royal Navy. In 1912 the government, at Churchill’s urging, bought controlling interest secretly in Anglo-Persian Oil Company. She had negotiated with the Sheikh of Muhammerah to also build an oil refinery, depot and port on Abadan Island adjacent to the Shaat-al-Arab as part of the emerging British policy to keep the Germany out of the strategic Mesopotamian oil-rich region.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 04:46 PM
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The majority of the Jews in the land formally known as Palestine were from Europe! In 1917 they started arriving by the boat loads.

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posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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You will find in history where ever the Jews went they were expelled and in their history they have been running around in circles, every empire has tried to kill them off and the only solution in the end is to go back to their historical routes where they can feel at home in their historical settings as do Muslims in Mecca who shut every non Muslim out from visiting which is what Israel would be like now if under Sharia law. A law which is a one way street and no way out intollerance disguised as a law of religion. Isreal is for man kind not just Muslims, that is why Isreal is a democracy, which again can not be accepted by Muslims, even when they are in europe they try to change democracy, they are on a conquest too.


[edit on 17-1-2009 by The time lord]



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by The time lord
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You will find in history where ever the Jews went they were expelled and in their history they have been running around in circles, every empire has tried to kill them off and the only solution in the end is to go back to their historical routes where they can feel at home in their historical settings as do Muslims in Mecca who shut every non Muslim out from visiting which is what Israel would be like now if under Sharia law. A law which is a one way street and no way out intollerance disguised as a law of religion. Isreal is for man kind not just Muslims, that is why Isreal is a democracy, which again can not be accepted by Muslims, even when they are in europe they try to change democracy, they are on a conquest too.


[edit on 17-1-2009 by The time lord]


You can't see it at the moment but I'm playing a tiny violin in recognition of your hard felt story about the saga of the Jews.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Stated...


"Netanyahu established Hamas, gave it life, freed Sheikh Yassin and gave him the opportunity to blossom," he said, adding that the current political situation in the Palestinian Authority came about "because of the nonsense that was done while Netanyahu was prime minister."



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 05:24 PM
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Once again, if any thing was true about the IDF wanting to wipe out all Palestinians, then why do they still exist? The IDF is powerful enough to make the ME not exist yet some how these few million Palestinians still exist? And look at that, they only go after Hamas in Gaza, not all Palestinians. Kind of makes the whole Jews are out to kill all Palestinians in doubt.





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