court: Sex between teachers, 18-year-olds OK

reply to post by yenko13

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Don't you think you're blowing this out of proportion? This is silly. It's two consenting adults, meaning that no one is being forced here. The teacher isn't demanding anyone have sex with them in the situation given.

All the girls coming back pregnant? I'm sorry, but if my daughter is 18 and makes the decision to have sex with ANYONE, that's fine with me. It's not my body. It's hers, and by the time she's 18 she should be fully capable of making the decision on her own. She doesn't need mommy overriding every move she makes any more.

I think you're taking the act of consensual sex and throwing it way overboard. It doesn't promote favoritism, parents teach their children all the time. I was home schooled for two years and I know kids that were home schooled their whole lives. I also know a lot of companies where spouses are working in the same office. So you've really got no argument there.

It's insane that a court should even have to make a decision about two consenting ADULTS(the key word here is adults). I'm so glad that a court finally made a decision I can agree with.

reply to post by TasteTheMagick

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WELL, this is the problem i just mentioned - while it seems like freedom, i can say that a teacher can abuse his position in order to gain sex.Teacher is on a superior position that disadvantage free choice for the student. It is not real choice as the teacher can get "nasty" if refused to have sex. Do you get it? I know real cases from Eastern Europe , where teacher conditioned girls passing the year to having a "session" with him! Is this training for the future generations? Going over the fact that you hardly learn anything out there (on the undergraduate level schools) , this would push things even worse..

reply to post by sty

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WELL, if this is what the teacher is doing, that is a separate crime in and of itself. I believe it's already been mentioned here as being blackmail or bribery and (in some stricter opinions) borderline rape. In this case, there are separate laws for those situations that apply to EVERYONE and not just teachers/students.

A lot of people in this thread seem to be assuming that the student in question actually has a class with said teacher. There are lots of teachers in high schools and only a hand full of them students will have a class with.

and for those of you whining about the ethics of the situation, perhaps you should read the article.



Teacher having sex with students <18 ILLEGAL
Teacher having sex with students >18 LEGAL
Teacher having sex with students who attend their classes and therefore are in a position of power over them UNETHICAL

end of story.

[edit on 1/14/2009 by eNumbra]

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Hehe.

Ethics are relative, I had a gorgeous health teacher my 3rd year of High school.

It's still unethical on the teacher's part.

[edit on 1/14/2009 by eNumbra]

reply to post by eNumbra

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Unethical maybe, but I guess that depends on who's ethics we're talking about: This thread asks the question of just what makes up "ethics" or, more specifically, "morality" and how it changes per person.

reply to post by TasteTheMagick

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To the question of sexual favors for good grades and or the possible favoritism of a teacher having sex with a student in his/her class; that is unethical by a majority of standards.

Those outlined in your thread are far more subjective.

[edit on 1/14/2009 by eNumbra]

Sexual favors in return for good grades isn't a question of ethics, it's blackmail/bribery. The ethics question comes from the teacher/student sexual relationship at all. Obviously, I've got no problem with it. Some say it's unethical.

No matter how you twist and turn it , this is bad policy , Why cant they see it for what it is and change it to no teacher student sex period,

And it's ethics that decide that blackmail and bribery are unacceptable. Some people believe it's alright to do what they want to get what they want... those are still ethics.

I'd agree...however this is the arena of the school to establish policy...not for the state to infringe on the constitutional rights of adult citizens. The penalties for this breach should remain professional penalties, not criminal ones. It's not that different from employers that make rules against fraternization....but the state has NO place in enacting legislation governing it...

As far as public schools go, this should be a ruling by the school board, outlining specific penalties for specific offenses...but not lawmakers.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by Gazrok]

It's just as unethical (from an academic standpoint) as plagiarism, and should carry the same professional penalties, (and then some for the teacher) if such favors are found to have been granted. In other words, the student would be forced to furnish the work done for the course, and then that work would be reviewed by teachers to see if the grade was within reason for the work done. Then, work of other students in the same class would need to be examined, along with the grades, to determine if such favoritism existed.

reply to post by eNumbra

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But my point was that the ethics part wasn't simply in the fact that the student and the teacher were having sex. I've got to agree with Gazrok on this one.

Perhaps I did not make myself clear. In the case where a minor has lied about her age and she is 17 and a senior. statutory rape buddy. And give me the benefit of sex with students. Can you? It is completely unethical.

If I'm paying a teacher to instruct my daughter, he better not being trying to screw her. Esp. If she is still in high school.

Now for your last comment please provide proof? "soldiers in Iraq RAPEING innocent women and children because they are so derranged."

reply to post by paxnatus

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You seem to think that the court's rational decision to keep their noses out of consensual sex is going to make every teacher some crazed predator. Why do you seem to think that? It doesn't make any sense logically because the student would have to be 18 meaning that they are capable of making their own decisions.

This law breeds this behavior , Bribery is unacceptable in any culture and this is a way to make who happy the 18 year old or the teacher, I cant figure it out yet

reply to post by yenko13

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Breeds what behavior? Bribery? Bribery has it's own ramifications. All this law does is keep authorities out of a situation they don't belong in, in the first place. It's not to make one group or the other "happy". It simply shows that someone had a brain large enough to realize that an act between two adults is not something that the law needs to stick it's nose in.

I'd imagine both are happy...the teacher getting the sex and the 18 year old getting an undeserved, but passing grade.

However, all the law does is realize it's role in this, which is no role at all. Sex for grades is an issue of academic ethics violation, not a legal matter. For bribery to exist, one of the parties would have to do something illegal (which may or may not be the case, depending on the treatment of academic fraud, but generally not). Nothing is illegal here, between consenting adults. Academic ethics are being violated in such an arrangement, and that violation has it's own academic penalties, for both parties.

The loss of the teacher's livelihood, and the loss of a student's degree... certainly carries their own risks...but it isn't a legal matter, and the state realized it.