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court: Sex between teachers, 18-year-olds OK

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posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 01:39 AM
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Ummmm please enlighten me on how consensual sex is border line rape?


I think rape, and consensual are two highly different words last I checked.




posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 01:45 AM
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No, the situation where the teacher is changing your grades in an effort to get more sex out of you. Consensual sex is not, has never been, and never will be rape. Borderline or otherwise.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by ahnggk
What could be worrying is when a teacher gives you unusually low marks. Then solicits sexual favors from you to give you high marks


Now some one gets the picture , Is it alright for prison guards to have sex with a 18 year old inmate and if a cop pulled you daughter over and give her a break you got to wonder , If your a fine 18 year old how could you fail just have sex with the teacher and if your a queer that is alright too HUH.????

Well what if your kid is stupid one day and smart the next you got to wonder



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by Revolution-2012
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Ummmm please enlighten me on how consensual sex is border line rape?


I think rape, and consensual are two highly different words last I checked.


When you have the power of passing the student thats rape in my book , Hey give me some and you will pass tell you sister I want her too I will pass the whole family



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 01:50 AM
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Ok, got the picture. I was misinterpreting what he said.


Yeah, that's bribery more than rape.... She is making the concious decision to demean herself, but none the less the teacher should do some time. It's blackmail/extortion at the worst, but not rape.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 01:52 AM
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Last time I looked school was a place to get an education not a place to hook up!!

There are several problems with this absurd idea, and it has nothing to do with 2 consenting adults. Number one
how do you know the girl/guy is 18? Ok for all those saying 'well that can be proven' let's say they produce I.D. Do you know how many have fake ID,? Now lets say the teacher sleeps with the person, and things dont work out. But the girl is so upset she wants to get even. Turns out she is only 17, and now she is pissed!! Boom! Right there you have a statuatory rape claim!The teachers career is ruined and now they are facing jail time. Or a child molestation crime.

Let's say they are of age.
Not to mention sexual harrasment issues, sexual favors for grades.etc.

Besides my tax dollars go to pay for the schools.I'm not paying for a bunch of kids and teachers screwing around!!
And if my child is in college,
I'm not paying for their education.

We will see a worse decine in education and our watch our
brightest grow dimmer as they lose all interest in getting any education.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 01:52 AM
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But this isn't about the sex relating to grades. Who even said that grades would be an operating factor here? We're talking about consensual sex between two adults. It's not 'dumb one day smart the next' and I've seen many a girl get out of a ticket with the power of cleavage.

It's not right for anyone to make a law restricting consensual sex.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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That's why I said borderline. I'd say it was more blackmail than anything, but a lot of people would argue that it was a low form of rape. It's an argument I just got into not too long ago.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 01:59 AM
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If I was that girl I'd just file a lawsuit agains the dirty bastard. That's more rewarding than anything ya?


As far as pax is saying that it's her tax dollars at work for her children to be hooking up, well one if they're 18 they're not legally yours so boot them out the door if you got a problem with how they're conducting themselves, and two your tax dollars go to soldiers in Iraq RAPEING innocent women and children because they are so derranged. Not only do your tax dollars support that, your tax dollars also support the people getting paid to foreclose your house.


Your tax dollars mean nothing. Except that the government of America, UK etc has their finger on you.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by cognoscente
It's not about the rights of consenting adults.

Yes, it is. Both are over 18. Both are consenting to the sex. Provided it's not on school grounds, then let them go for it. There is NOTHING that the law can or should do. The law can't stop or regulate against two adults wanting to have consentual sex. The kinkier, the better, if you ask me.



There is a strict relationship between student and teacher that simply cannot be breached, or else the integrity of the institution that is education will have been destroyed as well.

Hardly!

There's a strict relationship between a boss and worker. If both are 18, sex is ok. There's a strict relationship between a driving instructor and student. If both are 18, sex is ok.

I could go on and on and on with plenty more examples of two 18+ year olds in different power positions, still wanting and having consentual sex.

TasteTheMagik, I agree with all of your posts. For once this is a GOOD decision made by the courts.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 03:01 AM
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It's the same reason schools don't put the teacher's own children in their classes and companies (usually) don't let husband and wife work in the same office especially if one is the boss of the other.

It's unethical. It promotes favoritism.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by leisuredrummer
It's the same reason schools don't put the teacher's own children in their classes

It happens all the time in Australia, especially in some smaller schools. There's no law stopping parents teaching their own children in a class. What about all of the children who are home schooled? No different.

Life is completely unethical. Besides, who's to judge what is or isn't ethical anyway? When corrupt, criminal financiers and bankers get paid trillions of dollars because they SCREWED up, does it really matter if a teacher and an adult student want to see the sparks fly?

Welcome to the real world. Humans are sexual creatures. You can't deny it. 18+ is legal and it's good times. Go for it.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 04:30 AM
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Lets say you have a lesbian 48 year old teacher that sees the just turned legal 18 year olds as easy pickens and preys on them because they have to go to school and they trust the teacher, Now you cant tell me this wont happen , What are these people thinking

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posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by yenko13
Lets say you have a lesbian 48 year old teacher that sees the just turned legal 18 year olds as easy pickens and preys on them because they have to go to school, Now you cant tell me this wont happen , What are these people thinking

Let's do the maths, they're both over 18, so they're both legal. Simple. Let them go for it in their own private time.

Let's look at the reality. Most 18 year olds could not keep their mouth shut about making it with a teacher. Any teacher who kept trying to hit on consenting students would soon face backlash over their actions. Not so much a legal backlash, but they would find it difficult to earn the respect of the school community. Naturally, they would be pressured to leave the school, regardless of their abilities as a teacher.

It's not the smartest career move for a teacher to continually try hitting on 18 year old students. Society isn't ready to accept that two consenting 18+ adults should be allowed to do what their loins tell them to do, even if they later regret it. You can't protect people forever and 18 is the time to let them go and sow all the oats they need with whoever's offering a fresh patch of fertile soil.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 04:46 AM
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Definitely no crime here and the media is blowing it out of proportion in order to create another definition of what a crime is.

The Teacher is guilty of unprofessional conduct and should be terminated, but criminal charges are a bit over the top - unless the 18 year old adult student decided to pursue charges herself.

This has been happening for ages and will continue to happen - in secret. Since, 18 is the age of consent there is no crime unless you change it.

In some sense it seems people are more sexual then we were at that age a few decades ago - but then there were those relationships back in my day - but people just snickered about it they & didn't snitch to elevate themselves by putting somebody down.

With us .ing towards a police state, it wouldn't surprise me if the prudes today wanted to change the age of consent to 21. Before you know it, we'll all need a license.

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posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 04:52 AM
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it shouldn't be ILLEGAL aka A CRIME... but it should def lead to the teacher's job being lost (assuming the student was enrolled in the teacher's class or school at the time of the incident)



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 04:55 AM
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Seems pretty clear cut to me. It does not condone or encourage sex between teachers and 18 yo students. It merely interprets the law concerning sex with a minor.

And most importantly, it does not override the rules that the school district may have regarding inappropriate behavior. Teachers can still be fired for violating their regulations.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by verylowfrequency
The Teacher is guilty of unprofessional conduct and should be terminated,

I don't agree with that in all cases. It depends on the situation. If it was completely private, away from school and affected no one else other those two, then what's the big deal?

If they got caught in the cleaner's closet or the teacher's office at school, then that is misconduct, sure.

Away from the school grounds, in their own private time, it's fine and LEGAL. But, as I stated before, if word got out, it's time for the teacher to look for another job, rather than deal with the predjudiced hatred from 'concerned' parents.


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posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 05:16 AM
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I remember back in Eastern Europe we had several cases when the grades of students will be conditioned on having sex with the teacher. Now it is just turning legal , right? My opinion - teachers should choose between sex or teaching jobs.



posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 08:09 AM
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So most people here would let me screw there daughters while I teach them sex education , I think that is very nice of you ,

Hey I will do the cheerleaders first them work my way to the shy ones, And will make porno for the net thats legal too ,

Now we will have sex sites dedicated to teachers who will have sex with students as long as the students are willing , Well I wont try to talk them into it while there druged up haha or drunk or xtc out

Could you imagine a teacher on a class trip with 18 year old students wow , The girls come back pregnant and the guys come back as pimps that sold the xtc, And you can watch your daughter giving . on the internet its legal

And its legal , predators will be teaching in the future and will try to knock up as many cheer leaders as possible, And ruin there life its the law not them watch out what you ask for

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