There Will Be NO Cataclysm Of Any Kind In 2012!

reply to post by Bocimaster


So what I see is there was gossip from the population, and differences between people on how a typically vague prophecy is being shoe horned in different ways by different people.

reply to post by stereologist


You see what you want. It does not change the fact, that something is hidden from the public. But we will find it out soon enough.

[edit on 7-6-2010 by Bocimaster]

reply to post by Bocimaster


What's interesting about this silly thread is that it will continue until 2012. It's bound to! And what's even more interesting is how it will change in the light of events, or non-events. In fact, this could be the biggest thread ever on ATS. In fact, I'm sure it will!
And a safer bet than the thread itself.

mclinking

reply to post by Bocimaster


There is no 'fact' that something is hidden from the public. All we see is that there are differences in how people are interpreting (shoehorning) the prophecy. That's been happening ever since people began latching onto these vague statements.

why do people compare Y2k and modern day "doomsday" periods to the 2012 events? With all the ancients pointing towards 2012, how can people not see that this is different? Reading JUST into the ancient prophecies, Mayan, Hopi, Inca, etc. it would be safe to say SOMETHING will happen in my opinion. Cataclysm, no. Global event, yes. Maybe not even ON the suspected 2012 date, but within the next 30 years, I'm sure.

reply to post by demetriandlucy


There were 2 issues in 2000. One was the Y2K bug. There were people that thought the computer failures would lead to a collapse of civilization. There were computer programmers that were interviewed on "60 Minutes" and other television news shows that were building compounds to survive the end of times. They said that they knew because they were in the software game.

The other 2000 issue was a planetary alignment in which all of the planets were seen to lie in a 26 degree arc. That alignment was prophecized to mean worldwide disasters and destruction. Clearly, nothing happened.

Two whammies happening in the same year? Coincidence? This just led to more frenzied speculations.

Now you are pointing to more prophecies and claiming that the predictions are happening now. To make this happen you have to shoe horn the vague commentary of the prophecies into events that are happening or have happened.

reply to post by stereologist


I predict there is one cataclysm to happen in 2012 or ever :
NO mass enlightenment and NO mass shift of consciousness, regardless of whatever else might happen in 2012.

mclinking

You want a cataclysm? NASA has already repeatedly stated they are worried about the upcoming solar maximum hitting at 2012/2013 when our earth's magnetic shield is at it's lowest in 2000 years. Most likely you will get your cataclysm in advance of 12.21.12 by a CME hitting the earth and taking out massive electrical transformers worldwide and people being without electricity for years. Our magnetic shield is dropping at an alarming rate and the hole in it at the North pole isn't helping.

As far as 2012 and the Maya. They, along with the Hopi, knew mother earth worked in 26,000 year cycles. The fossil records and study of the ice cores support dramatic events happening in these cycles. Several scientists think there is a photon belt that we pass through every 13,000 years that allows us to be bombarded with torsion waves from the black hole at the center of our galaxy. Torsion waves alter DNA rapidly. That means all matter is affected. You want major change in human consciousness, dimensions, all matter.....there is a good chance it will happen based on the incoming torsion waves. That's also why scientists have a tough time finding those "missing links" in our development. The fossil records support these massive leaps in evolution of all species and it's the torsion waves doing it...expect some upcoming changes in 2012 when our alignment hits it's strength.

[edit on 11-6-2010 by ptmckiou]

reply to post by ptmckiou


If NASA is worried, then we needn't be. NASA told us this Summer is to be the hottest on record. Well, we're approaching MidSummer's day and Western Europe is WAY DOWN temperature-wise, the coldest I've experienced since I came here (the Mediterranean) 10 years ago. So much for NASA!
If anything IS going to happen in the near future (I won't put a date on it), it will be the next Ice Age, most climate realists leaning in that direction. I'd be very surprised if the next Winter doesn't shock people to the core. Why, we might not even need a Pole Shift!

mclinking

Originally posted by mclinking
reply to post by ptmckiou

 

If NASA is worried, then we needn't be. NASA told us this Summer is to be the hottest on record. Well, we're approaching MidSummer's day and Western Europe is WAY DOWN temperature-wise, the coldest I've experienced since I came here (the Mediterranean) 10 years ago. So much for NASA!
If anything IS going to happen in the near future (I won't put a date on it), it will be the next Ice Age, most climate realists leaning in that direction. I'd be very surprised if the next Winter doesn't shock people to the core. Why, we might not even need a Pole Shift!

mclinking

I think they were talking about the hottest on record in the USA....which it has been in many places so far...

reply to post by ptmckiou


Good prediction, but since we know this can happen we will be ready. So it won't happen. We have days to get ready for a CME hitting the Earth if it does.

Again this nonsense claim of a photon belt and torsion waves. Where did you get this silly claim?

I'm pretty sure that you'll have the usual earthquakes, volcano eruptions, hurricanes etc.

I don't think that we'll have an end of the world type of event.

I think that it's mostly hype. The hypsters will get excited at everything that happens during that year, then will fall silent for a bit.

Then, they will realize that the calculations were wrong or something to that effect.

The world will end in 2018.

We'll all have to listen to the same hype again.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by ptmckiou

 

Good prediction, but since we know this can happen we will be ready. So it won't happen. We have days to get ready for a CME hitting the Earth if it does.

Again this nonsense claim of a photon belt and torsion waves. Where did you get this silly claim?

Some people that associate the 2012 Ascension with torsion field physics.


What is the science behind the projected (by many) 2012 ascension process? Apparently, it's torsion field physics.

What is Torsion field physics?

“Spin waves in condensed matter are a current and well-studied topic in modern physics. However, there is a less-known backwater in this field: Torsion Fields, the quantum spin of empty space; the large-scale coherent effects of the spin of the particles in the virtual sea.
Initial work in this field was performed by Einstein and Cartan in the 1920's, now known as ECT (Einstein-Cartan-theory.) Currently there are rumors that spin waves have real physical consequences, and that useful technology can be based on such things. If "torsion fields" can be used for communication, they could explain such things as telepathy and PK.

The term ‘torsion’ may be referred as a variable which describes the rotation. The supporters of the torsion field or spin field theories confirms that the spin—spin interactions may be transmitted by or through space like the electromagnetic wave but do not hold any energy or mass but the information only [some would call this the universal consciousness]. They also claim that it is similarly carried out by the neutrinos (having both energy and mass) and do not interact with the matter and at same time may easily be registered and generated.”

These are excerpts from the book I’m reading by Wynn Free and David Wilcock.

The metaphysical field, along with today’s just developing field of Torsion Physics, speculates that DNA is created by spiraling energy known as torsion energy.

Torsion radiation has proven to be responsive to consciousness, far more so than electromagnetic energy, and has very healing, spiritual enlightening effects on organisms exposed to it.

The “DNA Phantom Effect” known by mainstream scientists, is the transference of DNA data through the torsion wave. Experiments of a duck bombarded with high-intensity torsion waves, which was then redirected into a seperate chamber containing a hen revealed unique results. In five days of exposure the eggs in the pregnant hen created a hybrid duck-hen. Microbiologists are aware of the existence of this “jumping DNA”. Small segments of DNA can detach from areas and reattach to another—rewriting code.

Since humans also have DNA here is how it can affect us:

As human souls reincarnate, the torsion wave “energy signature” will alter DNA inherited from our parents. According to Russian findings this “spiraling torsion energy” could actually be the substance of our human soul, therefore the precursor to the DNA molecule itself. This is how at any particular moment at birth the torsion wave emanating from the galactic center, which is passing through the field of the sun and the planets at the exact moment at the time of ones birth, influences the DNA of the individual uniquely at that moment. This chain of causality links each of us, via our DNA, to the consciousness of the entire cosmos.

Where is this torsion energy?

Empty space is not really empty but filled with the invisible torsion wave energy at different degrees of concentration. Thus, as the stars and planets drift through the galaxy they pass through different concentrations in very exact intervals of time, with precise cycles that can vary in length from thousands to millions of years. As planets move through periods of high concentration of these torsion waves a transformation effects the DNA structure on the planet, which causes more highly evolved forms to more rapidly replicate than less evolved forms of life. Ample evidence of this is seen to occur through our fossil records which evolution has shown this to occur in sudden jolts rather than as a gradual process. The effect has been named as “punctuated equilibrium” by mainstream biologists.

Our current solar system has major cycles of approximately every 25,000 years (procession of the equinox) and a really high shift of incoming torsion wave energy every 3rd cycle or 75,000 years. The year 2012 is our solar system reaching this 75,000 year arrival point in our cycle. The torsion energies have been noticeably increasing since 1998.

Scientists are aware that 95% of our DNA is, as they call it “junk DNA”. They call it junk because they don’t see that we have any use for it. Only 5% of our DNA is wrapped up in the spiraling double helix strand. During the time of the 75,000 year cycle when we are exposed to the most torsion energy waves (remember the duck/hen experiment) it affects our DNA by reorganizing the 95% “junk” DNA from a 2-strand double helix to a 12-strand helix advancing man in another leap of evolution.

When a planet reaches this 3rd set of 25,000 year cycles the energy upgrades automatically whether its inhabitants are ready or not. The extent of these leaps vary. This current cycle propels our evolutionary processes up to the point that there will be a really big change…ascension. This ascension process happens routinely in planets through the solar systems as they evolve. That is why in the past 50 years there has been an increase in “communications” of ascended masters from the “other side” that have too, gone through this process ions ago. They are here to help us make the transition of these new torsion energy waves coming in and their effect on all matter. However, their “help” never infringes on individuals free-will.

What is ascension?

It’s graduation day…moving from the 3rd dimension to the 4th density dimension (although some sources state we'll move from 3D to 5D). All planets do it as they evolve, since torsion waves see to it that things progress. What happens to the 3rd density earth? It physically goes through a rebirthing process to start the cycle all over again taking millions of years and millions of stair-step jolt cycles to evolve upwards again. However, ascension takes place far in advance of earth’s changes, so it isn’t an issue to life forms on earth.

Does everyone ascend to the 4th dimension?

From what I’ve read from several ascended master sources—No. From what I can tell, if you believe (and experience) Oneness of all things (meaning ALL is interconnected together and we are not separate from it), and you are centered with love at your core, you’ll make the transition. Otherwise, if you have fear or darkness at your core, or don’t believe we and the All is interconnected as Oneness, you haven’t evolved enough. Instead of ascending, you will reincarnate to continue your education on another planet, since Earth won’t be inhabitable after the ascension process. However, I have read from some sources that those that don’t ascend will stay on the 3D earth and live here…but the mother earth’s processes won’t be fun. Obviously, everything is questionable, and no one knows what will happen, if anything.

What is the difference between a 3rd dimensional human and a 4th dimensional human?

Third dimensional humans experience themselves separate from each other and preoccupied with issues of survival and self-awareness.

Fourth dimensional humans have the conscious awareness that they are a part of each other and connected by loving energy-Oneness. Supposedly a 3rd density body could not live on a 4th density planet, as the DNA would no longer be supported by the torsion waves of that area. Some sources state that we will have telepathy and able to instantly “think” into being what we want. Consequently, the ability to controlling your thoughts will be paramount. 4D earth will look just like 3D earth but your daily physics involved will be different. The ascension will happen instantly (although some cultures state their sources say it’s a 3 day process which you are in darkness for those 3 days.) You may wake up one morning and the colors in your room are much brighter and when you jump, instead of coming right down it takes you 30 seconds to float down.

So, essentially, “ascension” is just another name for the process that beings go through as they change densities. Contemporary metaphysical scientists, such as Gregg Braden, call it zero point energy, the photon belt, or aetheric energy. As our solar system passes through this invisible density of energy, significant changes are translated down to the physical level, since torsion energy affects all matter.

Enjoy the ride. It sounds fun. If nothing else—what changes we do encounter (if any) will be a new adventure.

Torsion Field

Torsion field, also called axion field, spin field, spinor field, and microlepton field is a pseudoscientific concept loosely based on Einstein-Cartan theory and some variant solutions of Maxwell's equations. The torsion field concept was conceived in the Soviet Union by a group of physicists in the 1980s. The group, led by Anatoly Akimov and Gennady Shipov, began the research as the state-sponsored Center for Nontraditional Technologies, but was disbanded in 1991 when their research was exposed as a fraud and an embezzlement of State funding, only to emerge again as a private enterprise; The International Institute for Theoretical and Applied Physics and later called UVITOR.

It's not real science.

Originally posted by stereologist
Torsion Field

Torsion field, also called axion field, spin field, spinor field, and microlepton field is a pseudoscientific concept loosely based on Einstein-Cartan theory and some variant solutions of Maxwell's equations. The torsion field concept was conceived in the Soviet Union by a group of physicists in the 1980s. The group, led by Anatoly Akimov and Gennady Shipov, began the research as the state-sponsored Center for Nontraditional Technologies, but was disbanded in 1991 when their research was exposed as a fraud and an embezzlement of State funding, only to emerge again as a private enterprise; The International Institute for Theoretical and Applied Physics and later called UVITOR.

It's not real science.

Scientists also said the same thing about quantum physics in it's infancy.

reply to post by ptmckiou

Scientists also said the same thing about quantum physics in it's infancy.

That's simply not true.

Were the early quantum effects researchers caught committing a fraud? No.
It has been 30 years and torsion fields is still a pseudoscience.

Here's a link to info. which sounds like the Photon Belt info.

www.solar-storm-warning.com...

reply to post by Sargoth


The site bases its claims on an Alexei Dmitriev. There does not appear to be an astrophysicist by that name. No papers have been published under that name. That suggests, and quite strongly, that the site is a hoax site.

Originally posted by hawkeye1717

I'm talking end of all life on the world stuff and not a metaphoric cataclysm either. Most of the jist of the 2012'ers is that sometime in December 2012 we all DIE!!

So,
You're just playing the odds then.
If you win the bet then all is fine and dandy for you.

If you lose the bet then you won't be around to pay up anyway.

Sneaky, sneaky.