Anyone wanna bet?!?!! Remember the end of days in 2000? Or the end of days predicted by preachers in the 1800's?? Or the Black Death being the end of days?? 2012 hocum does one thing, it makes people money by playing on the fears and paranoia of the public. But it is interesting to watch the shows on History Channel!!!!

Of any kind? Read my post.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think the will be at least one big hurricane, 3 big earthquakes, some flooding and drought. There will be war and hunger and lets not forget UFO´s!

Depends on your definitioin of 'cataclysm'. I'm talking end of all life on the world stuff and not a metaphoric cataclysm either. Most of the jist of the 2012'ers is that sometime in December 2012 we all DIE!! I'm more open to the idea that something in 2012 could cause a sea change in how humans interact with the planet and each other. But even that is unlikely because predictions of doom don't exactly have a good track record

And the possible return of Sarah Palin to Presidential Politics!! Hmm..maybe the 2012 crowd IS onto something here.

Now, with the way that you're describing cataclysm, no, probably not. I highly doubt that we all die on that date. However, I think this is slightly different than the "end of days" scenario at the beginning of 2000. Y2K was something I never believed in and something that, at the age of ten, I always thought was stupid. But the way that Y2K theories came about was highly different than the way the 2012 theories have.

I think something will definitely happen. The world wont end but I think it will definitely have changed into something drastically different. Personally I think there will be a lot less people, but I really can subscribe to the "we all die" situations.

Thank You! It is the end of the "age". We are going into Aquarius, we are now in the age of Pisces. They just want to keep us skeered. They thrive off of fear, that is the only way they can truly exist in this dimension. So they keep on and on with "fear" False Evidence Appearing Real. You need to listen to Ian Lungold on Google video. Why do you think the popes' hat looks like a fish head. They are losing control of us and grasping for anything to keep us from ascending into the 5th earth, and we aleady went through the 4th. Please start thinking of it as a positive event, it will be a welcome change.

When you have the time, take your digital camera, place a #10 arc welders lens ($4$ @ HD) and take a few pics of the sun. Download them to your computer and using a program like photo shop, under filter, click solarize and help me understand what is at the 7 o'clock position

From what I have read and conclusions I have come to through my own opinions and philosophys along with personal interpretation of the symbology, the only thing that will happen in 2012 is a great spiritual awakening of the masses! We will be aligned with the center of our galaxy!

Not sure of anyone is interested, by I and another woman co-host a show on BTR related to a wide variety of subjects - conspiracy theories, paranormal phenomenon, unexplained mysteries - ect.

For tonight's show we're discussing 2012 and the related "doomsday prophecies".

www.blogtalkradio.com...

(BB Code didn't seem to like the link - probably the length and/or hyphens)

You can also listen to a podcast of the episode anytime you like after the live show. People are also welcome to call in or Skype in with viewpoints or questions.


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yeah, mainstream media is going to try and produce fear..

watch and see..or rather throw away the tv and live free


i know all is good and we will be fine..well we don't really die so, you can figure it out.

amazing times ahead of us

much love to you all and to all that is.

namaste'

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Sorry to Burst your Bubble. But there is a Cataclysm every Year... 2012 will be no different. Your as silly as those that Say the "World Will End" LMAO. Use the intelligence you were given.

Om A Ra Pa Ca Na Dhih, Dhih, Dhih

People that have studied 2012 know that we arn't all going to die, so whats your point? something will happen, just look around you and youll spot the build up.

2012 will be the end but the end of the ego and all its thoughts of separation

There won't be?

You mean that I shouldn't be spending my retirement fund like a drunken sailor on liberty?

I have given my oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. I intend to fulfill that oath.. 2012.. as most people I laughed it off as only another possible y2k scare...even the planetary alignment scare.. Well.. Sumerians wrote of Nibiru... Mayan ... the Red star and the 7 mountains.. The Kolbrin Bible the Rosetta Stone of Planet X!" . These prescient accounts of the Egyptian and Celtic authors clearly describe a brown dwarf. Well is it really out there....Where is the evidence..

By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1
Possibly as Large as Jupiter;
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered
The correct figure is 50 billion miles. It also might be a Jupiter-like star that started out to become a star eons ago but never got hot enough like the sun to become a star. which is so cold it casts no light so close to the sun it would be part of the solar system....there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much cold water as I can." ...."All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

NASA BAFFLED BY UNEXPLAINED FORCE ACTING ON PROBES

The New York Times
Sunday, January 30, 1983
Clues Get Warm in the Search for Planet X
John Noble Wilford
Something out there beyond the farthest reaches of the known solar system seems to be tugging at Uranus and Neptune. Some gravitational force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities in their orbits. The force suggests a presence far away and unseen, a large object that may be the long-sought Planet X.
Evidence assembled in recent years has led several groups of astronomers to renew the search for the 10th planet. They are devoting more time to visual observations with the 200-inch telescope at Mount Palomar in California. They are tracking two Pioneer spacecraft, now approaching the orbit of distant Pluto, to see if variations in their trajectories provide clues to the source of the mysterious force. And they are hoping that a satellite-borne telescope launched last week will detect heat “signatures” from the planet, or whatever it is out there. The Infrared Astronomical Satellite was boosted into a 560-mile-high polar orbit Tuesday night from Vandenberg Air Force Base, CA. It represents an $80-million venture by the United States, Britain and the Netherlands. In the next six or seven months, the telescope is expected to conduct a wide-ranging survey of nearly all the sky, detecting sources not of ordinary light, but of infrared radiation, which is invisible to the human eye and largely absorbed by the atmosphere. Scientists thus hope that the new telescope will chart thousands or infrared-emitting objects that have gone undetected – stars, interstellar clouds, asteroids and, with any luck, the object that pulls at Uranus and Neptune.

John P. Bagby has now introduced a new piece to the puzzle of solar-system cyclic behavior. While searching for possible perturbations of the planets due to a tenth major planet or a dark massive solar companion (MSC), he discovered that the perihelia of the outer planets (orbital points closest to the sun) were being disturbed with an average period of 11.2 years. This is almost exactly the sunspot period of about 11 years ( or half the period of solar magnetic field reversals of about 22 years). He suggests two possibilities:
(1) Mutual resonance effects between the planets
(2) The effects of a massive solar companion.
...If this Dwarf Star is coming .. reports on the net say it will be as close as Mars in June 2012 .. and will be south of the sun .. moving toward north as it finishes its orbit in December 21 2012 .. to then again continue it’s roughly 4970 year orbit around the sun... its gravitational force could reach as far as Jupiter.. and when it is as close as Mars or possibly In 2011 we will see it and know it is there. Would make since it being a star would also align with the galactic center of the galaxy. The Chandler wobble is a small motion in the Earth's axis of rotation coincided with the galactic alignment with the galaxy roughly every 26 thousand years. Our Solar System orbit’s the black hole of our galaxy roughly every 26000 years as well ends in 2012. The Dark Plane a line running more or less through the center of the Milky Way Galaxy the Densest Portion of the spiral arm. Our solar system moves through this region periodically over a great time span. This region is heavily packed with stars, especially those that go supernova, Type II. Type I Supernova are observed in all galaxies. But type II are limited to the very "dense or star-packed regions of the arms of the spiral galaxies, such as our Milky Way. Because type II supernovae are so violently explosive, they present a grave and severe threat to every star system close to them. This motion has brought us into one of the most dangerous supernova-producing regions of our entire galaxy." We are now approaching this area. The gravitation field of the Galactic Plane can cause solar-like winds to behave like steering currents on comets and other objects . The Earth has been pounded in the past, The very sparse, hot gas of the Local Bubble is the result of supernovae that exploded within the past two to four million years Thirty-four thousand years ago (34,000), the second part of a supernova explosion, the shock wave portion, hit the earth. The first shock wave comparatively did not disturb the Earth– It was rather unnoticed. Nothing happened, such that the inhabitants of the Earth would have become alarmed. Nothing heavy plummeted to the planet. They may have noticed a large array of ‘shooting' stars coming into the high, rarefied air. This cosmic castoff from the supernova with cosmic substances in the cosmos were pushed onto Earth. Evidence of remains of dust left behind from event was picked up 1992 by Eleusis space craft interstellar origin Micro meteorites coming from outside solar system They were caused by ions and small particles, all heavily laced with near to microscopic iron. Signs of evidence inside ice sheets over 35 thousand to 72 thousand years old Zodiacal belt shows Evidence of remains of dust left behind from event These toxic radioactive particles would later cause havoc. Man, animals, and plants suffered with radiation sickness. Mutations occurred. Tests of archeological finds show that man then had one blood type: O, some 100,000 to 40,000 years hence. After the supernova influence, humans started showing up with blood types A and B; and O continue to express itself also. Blood types A or B did not exist thousands of years ago. According to some scientists, if we possess those blood types, we are "blood brothers/sisters" to a supernova in the not too distant past. God moves in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform. . Some have even claimed to find evidence of periodic mass extinctions that might be explained by a single (as-yet-unidentified) star in an elliptical orbit around the sun. A diagram appeared in the 1987 edition of the "New Science and Invention Encyclopedia", published by H.S. Stuttman, Westport, Connecticut, USA. The article was discussing the purpose of the Pioneer 10 & 11 space probes. Clearly shown is "Nemesis", a popular name for our sun's binary companion, a dead star. (Binary solar systems are apparently the rule in our galaxy, not the exception.) The solar system may not be a nice round shape, but rather a bit squashed and oblong, according to data from the Voyager 2 spacecraft exploring the solar system's outer limits, scientists said. Walter Cruttenden of the Binary Research Institute is that local gases are fairly uniform and the shape derives from the trajectory of the solar system through local space -- possibly in its orbit around a companion star. This binary companion would cause the sun's orbit to curve, and would explain the Precession of the Equinox by the way in which the Earth's rotation was affected by not one, but two stars. Yes, that’s right, if the data is correct our solar system is curving through space (carrying the earth and spacecraft with it of course) so rapidly that the only way to explain it is if our sun is gravitationally bound to another nearby star. Every Myth .. has a hidden truth behind it....It was recently reported by NewScientist that Gravity Probe B received an “F” from the U.S. Government and the project would receive no more funding. But after netting out the spacecraft and earth orbit motions the remaining signal was far larger than anyone expected. In fact, it is so large it either means there is some unforeseen problem with the gyros or that our sun is part of a binary star system. The Rich like Bill Gates .. seems to believe there is something to worry about when it comes to.. his building of the Dooms Day Seed Vault “ Norway's ark-Doomsday CNN- 2012 Planet X ?”
The biggest problem is life is full of surprises like the Web Bot Project computer oracle program predicts a major event in 2012. As you read this, several planets are experiencing global warming. Saturn, for instance, has changed 30 percent. If this had occurred on the Earth, all life as we know it would be gone.
Seems allot is to unfold in the next few years for mankind...the Spiritual enlightenment to come is to begin at the end of 2011... in the Maya Calendar very good subject...DNA activation .. All these events are to take place in the coming years seems to be all connected in some way... .. "COME and SEE"

something important will happen in 2012... people will stop believing in Maya predictions and in new age stuff...

nah, too good to be true. These people always forget their mistakes and just postpone the dates of these "life changing" events.

Not even when the warmonger right wing takes over again in 2012?
I beg to differ.

I guess when war is so ingrained like it is with us,
it's no big whoop anymore.
I hope we all got our bio hazard suits ordered!