Ok, I originally posted this in the wrong forum. I posted in in aliens/UFO's by mistake. I asked the moderators to move it for me, but nobody has yet...so I'm just going to repost it here.

Moderators, is it possible for you to move my original thread to this forum? Thanks.

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Hypothesis: Could the NWO (New World Order) be referring to a world-wide post-2012 survival plan?

Ok, so I came up with another hypothesis today (Sorry, but I can't help it, I love coming up with hypotheses and theories!)

Here is my hypothesis: I think that the NWO (New World Order) is not a plan to take over the world and kill 80% of the world's population, as many people claim. Instead, I think the term New World Order refers to a "survival plan" put into place to help the world survive the events of 2012, so the population of the earth will not fall into another "dark ages."

How did I come up with this hypotheses?

Well, if you've read my previous threads that I've posted on ATS, you'll see that I just have a really hard time with the concept of the NWO (that they are planning on killing 80% of the world's population and taking over the world) to begin with.

However, it also seems that plans are definitely in place for something major to happen. You can't deny that. FEMA camps, FEMA coffins, underground bases, the Army wanting to take over the southeastern part of of Colorado, etc...

Also, I'm a big believer in the Mayan prophecies, because they have been so accurate in the past. I mean, their calendar is STILL more accurate than ours.

But today, I came up with my hypothesis when I read George Ure's blog (Urban Survival.com)

Today, George said that someone passed him an article from a Belgian newspaper that said this:


"Today NASA keeps precise track of the North pole traveling South, and they admit that the speed of the North Pole´s acceleration increased dramatically the last few years. Furthermore, NASA recently confirmed there will be a `problematic weakening´ of the Earth's protective magnetic field around 2012.."


bog link: www.urbansurvival.com...

Also, in his same blog today, he also reports that he also saw the following story pop up on Fox News.


Powerful Solar Storm Could Shut Down U.S. for Months

A new study from the National Academy of Sciences outlines grim possibilities on Earth for a worst-case scenario solar storm


The article states that these storms are supposed to peak around 2012.

Here is the link to the article:

www.foxnews.com...


Ok, so George Ure made this connection. If both of these events happen as NASA says they are, NASA's research could be correlating what the Mayans and others have predicted for thousands of years. The perfect storm may be getting set up for 2012: allignment with the galactic center, the weakening of our earth's EM field, and sun storms, all happening at once.

Then, I started thinking this: Is it really possible that our government doesn't know about 2012? With all our sophisticated research at NASA's hands, could they really not have known about this before hand? I thought: they MUST have known, but are just keeping it secret from us. Probably to prevent a world-wide panic.

Could this be the reason why all the world's governments built the massive seed bank in Norway? Could they have known this all along, and just aren't telling us about it?
Could this also be the real reason for the talk about having plans in place for martial law, and tons of FEMA coffins at the ready?

And then, I thought of all the gossip that has bee floating around about NWO secret meetings between the most powerful familes of the world. And gossip that they are planning on taking over the world, and killing 80% of the world's population, etc...

So, this is the connection that I made in MY mind:

IF the information about the procession of the equinoxes has been known since the time of Ancient Egypt, and then passed down through the ages through the Knights Templar and the Freemasons (who supposedly hid secrets of 2012 in all thieir ornate carvings on buildings, etc...)

AND

IF the most powerful families on the face of planet earth are also known to be members of secret societies and are meeting in secret more often now....


AND

IF there are rumors are true that 80% of the world's population is going to die, and they are making plans to create a New World Order...

THEN,

I think that maybe the NWO (New World Order) is referring to a SURVIVAL PLAN that has been put into effect for the 20% of the world who is predicted to survive the catastrophic effects of 2012 and it's aftermath.

Think about it....it makes sense. You know that game "operator" that kids play? You say one thing into one person's ear, and it gets whispered around a circle, and by the end of the circle, the original message was totally distorted.

So, let's say the most powerful families on earth are indeed having secret meetings, to figure out how the world's population can continue to survive in a way that does not put us into another millenia of "dark ages" again. Maybe in truth, that is what they are trying to prevent....another dark ages.

But, rumors start, and the truth gets distorted, and people start hearing that the the most powerful familes are making plans to kill 80% of the world off.

And then, people hear of all the stuff that people are hearing about: FEMA camps, FEMA coffins, Martial Law....they start thinking "Aha! Proof that they want to take over the world and get rid of the rest of us!"

But in reality, what if the FEMA camps are survival stations set up to deal with 2012, and they are more like survival camps, and not death camps??

What if all these undergorund bases we're hearing about are survival caves? What if the radiation will be so bad that we have to hide out in underground bases for years to survive 2012.

Well, that would make sense of why they wouldn't tell us. It would create a total panic. Everybody would want to be part of the 20%...it could start massive rioting, massive panic, and destroy the entire survival plan.

So, that's my thinking.

Maybe the NWO is a survival plan for the 20% who can be saved.

And who knows....maybe they DO have an idea of who they will let survive, and who they won't.

That is awesome!!!, Finally a collective spin in a positive manner to bring it all together. much of what you have said have been my thoughts on the whole thing. Nice!!!

Very nice post, I enjoyed it.

One question though, what are the Mayan prophecies? What have they predicted in the past and what are their future predictions?

So... they totally ruin our economy and damn near enslave all of us through their racketeering-schemes. But they truly mean us no harm. They don't want us trampling each other in a giant stampede... They want to silence dissidents, remove unwanted, and save their 20% pure race...

...while they could have been telling us 3, 5, even 10 years ago. So we would have been able to start designing and implementing plans to save all the free people of the earth.

This is unacceptable!

(please pardon my possibly incoherrent post, I'm waaay past bedtime)

Wow, don't know huh, Well rather that write more than my limit of words, I will suggest you do a web search of the Mayan calendar and their history. In a short they were very good at reading the stars and the future events of our solar system, and other great historical events. Do some research, it will be a great read.

Nikiano,

Unfortunately, you don’t have anywhere near enough proof to base your theory. Actually let me be more precise, re-rephrasing your theory, enough evidence for anyone to believe you. If I were you, I would start watching military spending costs and analyze the annual budget being released by the government to find loop holes.

You state a key word in your testimony of nwo, gossip that alone debunks your theory. You can never base anything off of gossip, where is the evidence? Where are you basing your findings from? Once you have accumulated all of your evidence, and then post your findings. Who knows you could be onto something? But, as it stands nothing that anyone with any logic would believe.

Originally posted by Johnathanrs
Nikiano,

Unfortunately, you don’t have anywhere near enough proof to base your theory.

Which is why I did not call it a theory....I clearly called it a hypothesis. As a scientist I know that a hypothesis requires no proof. What it is is a statement of intent; a valid question looking to be answered. After research, if supporting evidence is found (and I can assure you there is much to be found), then that supporting evidence can then help turn the hypothesis into a theory.

I suggest you read up on what a hypothesis is. For example in wikipedia, you will find
this explanation of what a hypothesis can be:

In common usage in the 21st century, a hypothesis refers to a provisional idea whose merit requires evaluation. For proper evaluation, the framer of a hypothesis needs to define specifics in operational terms. A hypothesis requires more work by the researcher in order to either confirm or disprove it. In due course, a confirmed hypothesis may become part of a theory or occasionally may grow to become a theory itself. Normally, scientific hypotheses have the form of a mathematical model. Sometimes, but not always, one can also formulate them as existential statements, stating that some particular instance of the phenomenon under examination has some characteristic and causal explanations, which have the general form of universal statements, stating that every instance of the phenomenon has a particular characteristic.

However, having said that, you have no right to tell me how I should or should not post on this forum, or how much evidence I need or do not need. This is a discussion forum, and not a peer-reviewed scientific journal. I do not need evidence nor proof in order to share my thoughts and hypothesis with other members, or to open up a topic for conversation.

Quite frankly, I don't care if you or any of the other "logical people" out there believe me or not. I don't care if anyone believes me. My intention of this post was not to get anyone to believe me, but rather to open up a discussion and share a hypothesis.

However, if you really don't think I have any logic, I think the university who granted me my doctorate degree would probably disagree with you.




[edit on 11-1-2009 by nikiano]

Good post, S & F for you nikiano.

This thread really tied together a bunch of ideas that have been floating around in my mind lately. It would truly make sense that this is what they are trying to do.

What if they aren't trying to kill 80% of the population on Earth. What if they already understand that this is a predetermined absolute that mankind will face in the very near future? Regardless of whether they want to get rid of us or not, its already going to happen in some form or another. Who knows, maybe these FEMA camps will turn out to be the bastions of hope and peace on a bloody planet torn apart by Judgement.

Eh.... I'd still rather ride the vibration train straight to the center of the galaxy, baby.

And your hypothesis is very worthy of debate, a nice star and flag for you!

Thanks to you and everyone else who liked my idea.

I would love to get a good debate going about my hypothesis, too, so I also posted a link to this thread in the NWO forum.

The "debunkers" will probably be out in full-force, of course. (I consider debunkers to be people who are not interested in a real debate, but who are only interested in debunking any hypothesis that shows up on ATS without, in turn, providing one of their own.) They are always asking me for hard evidence for my hypotheses, even though hypotheses do not require hard evidence when they are first presented.

But, if they do insist on asking me for "hard evidence", as I'm sure they will, I would like to ask them to first provide me some "hard evidence" (and not circumstantial evidence) that the NWO is indeed planning on wiping out 80% of the world's population and enslaving the 10 to 20% who are left.





[edit on 11-1-2009 by nikiano]

Sounds interesting, not entirely possible though given our knowledge of past events, wars, terrorist acts etc....

Definitely puts a spin on the thinking though and will now be looking more closely at how certain things are presented.

S&F

Except the mayans made no prophecy about 2012...anyway,i dont believe with the evidence you've shown your hypothesis,but ill give you a star and a flag since you've probably put some time into it atleast.

Originally posted by Solomons
Except the mayans made no prophecy about 2012...

Thanks for the star and flag, but actually, this is not entirely true. You have to look at the big picture:

The Mayans believed that all things happened in cycles, and each cycle had a specific prophecy attached to it. (For example, we can say that generally, we predict that December will be cold and July will be hot. Except the Mayans did this very, very specifically with each time segment in an entire age.)

Each age was divided into smaller segments, and the end of each segment was a time of huge change. And those changes can be found in the geologic record of earth; huge floods, etc...

On top of that, December 21/22 is not only the end of a segment, but it is also the end of the 13th segment, AND the end of the AGE. Which also coincides with the galactic allignment. Each end of an age also is a time of great change.

Let me find a great explanation of the 13th Baktun so you can see what it exactly says:
(searching....)

It was explained really well on a show on the history channel I saw once....maybe I can find that on youtube.



[edit on 11-1-2009 by nikiano]

Doctor. You could be a Doctor, but frankly I do not care if you are or not, but I will defend my posts if I am in the right. Lastly, once again if you want to have a honest and truthful debate like you stated then present your evidence and I will agree or disagree after researching.

Btw: I love when I present something and people debate against me. Especially, if they provide something that makes me really think. I’m surprised someone with a Doctor degree, especially one being technical as a scientist, that you wouldn’t share the same mindset.

[edit on 12-1-2009 by Johnathanrs]