Kissinger Calls on Obama to Create a 'New World Order' [vid], page 1

At 2:45...

Pretty much right out there in the open, ain't it?

If there's still much debate about just how this possible decent man [Obama, not Henry!] has been tapped to push US through to the next phase...

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[edit on 1.6.2009 by ItsTheQuestion]

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Great find...

Kissinger has always been touting this junk about the NWO, but I found it interesting that a NWO boy would say that Israel don't have to stop in Gaza until the rockets stop, in a roundabout way. Is this the PTB stance on the Israeli thing?

Star and Flag for you, go ahead toot your own thread you did find a good one!

Originally posted by ItsTheQuestion
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Okay.

There is the New World Order Conspiracy Theory, which is what I think you're "afraid" of:

The New World Order is a conspiracy theory, in which a powerful and secretive group is plotting to eventually rule the world via an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign states and other checks and balances in world power struggles.

And then there's the original meaning of the phrase New World Order, which is what I think Henry Kissinger is actually talking about.

The term "new world order" has been used to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power. The first Western usages of the term surrounded Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points and call for a League of Nations following the devastation of World War I.

But if you get your jollies thinking that Henry Kissinger is publicly calling on Obama to secretly plot to rule the world, be my guest.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by ItsTheQuestion
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Okay.

There is the New World Order Conspiracy Theory, which is what I think you're "afraid" of:

With all due respect [and I have enjoyed your work 'round these parts since I jumped aboard last summer], you've called me "afraid". And in all honesty, I resent someone telling me how I feel about something. I trust you'll understand my point.

The New World Order is a conspiracy theory, in which a powerful and secretive group is plotting to eventually rule the world via an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign states and other checks and balances in world power struggles.

And then there's the original meaning of the phrase New World Order, which is what I think Henry Kissinger is actually talking about.

Well, that's what you "think." Why you would defend Henry Kissinger, of all people? To suggest that Kissinger is all-of-the-sudden some benevolent humanitarian is silly. Especially coming from you, bh! You know better...don't you?

The term "new world order" has been used to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power. The first Western usages of the term surrounded Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points and call for a League of Nations following the devastation of World War I.

But if you get your jollies thinking that Henry Kissinger is publicly calling on Obama to secretly plot to rule the world, be my guest.

Yes, of course. Kissinger's right up there with Mother Teresa and Gandhi; one of the great humanitarians of the 20th century. C'mon.

The man that I voted for last November [and presumably, you did too, since your subtle insults in this thread reveal the emotional response you felt in reading the OP] may not be all we've been programmed to believe he is. Time will tell, won't it?

I know that I'm not going to change your mind here. It's not my place, purpose, nor point.

I will, however, remind you to set emotional reactivity aside and re-consider what I did [and did not] say in the OP. I also remind you that I have respected your work on this forum for quite awhile. That said, if you'd rather drink the Kool-Aid than maintain objectivity, "be my guest".

Respectfully,
ITQ

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I should've mentioned this in my last post. The dog in your avatar is a beautiful creature, and I've admired the beast since I first saw his/her picture. Now, let's get back to the topic at-hand.

But if you get your jollies thinking that Henry Kissinger is publicly calling on Obama to secretly plot to rule the world, be my guest.

There is a well-known tactic [amongst us crazy "conspiracy theory[emphasis yours]" types, anyway] that TPTB use: "hiding" their strategy in plain sight.

I have no idea if that rings a bell for you. Then again, this is a conspiracy theory site.

You've made several assumptions in your post, which does not help your argument. I never suggested that Barack Obama would be "rul[ing] the world." I did, however, refer to him as a "possible [sic] decent man." I certainly hope he is a truly decent man; I voted for the guy! Now, like every other president since JFK, at the latest, he'll have many people and powers to answer to. The very people who tapped him years ago to get to where he is today. Votes are a mere technicality; see: 2000; 2004.

One more thing...was the vibe of your post based on a desire to suggest that Henry Kissinger is a "good guy," or was it based on your indignation that I had the audacity to link Pres.-Elect Obama to the NWO [not the nice one that you assume Dr. Kissinger was referring to, either]?

It is not my intention to insult you here. Re-reading your post, it's clear that you did not extend the same courtesy to me. Which is unfortunate, quite frankly. But that's your choice and your path. Just because I'm willing to look closer at the unbelievable phenomenon that is President Barack Obama does not mean that I am willing or qualified to pass judgment or take insulting, passive-aggressive and ultimately petty and un-becoming swipes at you.

I hope you're right about the meaning behind Kissinger's words. Unfortunately, it seems more of a stretch than "they hate us for our freedom."

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Sometimes I wonder who is in charge of the sales/marketing campaign for the NWO. Would you really be against the NWO if they ended world hunger, poverty, "energy crisis" and other key buzz words? The only positive thing I can say about the NWO is that humans in general are stupid and we need elitists to tell us sheeple what to do, what to believe in, how to live our lives, etc. It's all a sales pitch, buy into it or not. As for HK, f-em. As for Obama and his involment in the grand scheme of things, enjoy being a puppet! I'm a puppet as is everyone else on this planet, it's not that bad really as long you have enough distractions.

You make some fair points.

Would I "really be against the NWO if they ended world hunger, poverty, 'energy crisis'", etc. Of course. But what would lead one to believe their agenda includes any of those things for the 6.87 billion or so people presently alive on this planet of ours?

The "only positive thing" you say about the NWO is nothing positive at all. Yes, people can be considered "stupid". But why is that? Is it because you are smarter than most? Perhaps you are. Perhaps you're not. I don't know, and it's actually irrelevant to my point.

It is no big secret that television, fluoridated water, carcinogenic chemicals in food, WAR, and the proverbial rat race in general are all massively influential factors we are born into, with no choice in the matter, each playing a macabre role in our lives.

It's not so much a "sales pitch" as it is our virtually inescapable reality.

"I'm a puppet as is everyone else on this planet, it's not that bad really as long as you have enough distractions."

Interesting. I have a couple of questions for you. If you, jltombe, are indeed a puppet [and I'm certainly not going to tell you that you're not]--who is pulling the strings? Also, what are the "distractions"? What will you do when they're no longer available.

You're gonna let them put an RFID chip in you, aren't you?

[edit on 1.7.2009 by ItsTheQuestion]

Originally posted by ItsTheQuestion
And in all honesty, I resent someone telling me how I feel about something.

I didn't mean to tell you how you feel. I didn't know how you felt. I put "afraid" in quotes because I wasn't actually sure how you were feeling or really what your position was. I intended no offense. You know how people say, "I'm afraid I can't help you" or "I'm afraid gas prices are going up". It's not really fear, but an expression of concern. I should have said "disturbed" as that's a word you did use. I apologize for the misunderstanding, but there's no need to jump down my throat.

Well, that's what you "think."

Yes. Isn't that what you were hoping to get from other people on the board? Their thoughts?

Why you would defend Henry Kissinger, of all people? To suggest that Kissinger is all-of-the-sudden some benevolent humanitarian is silly. Especially coming from you, bh! You know better...don't you?

What are you talking about?
I did not defend Kissinger in the least! Show me where.
I did not suggest that he's some sort of benevolent humanitarian at all.
Those appear to be assumptions on your part. If you reread my post, I'm absolutely certain you won't find either of those ideas. I simply said what I "think", which it appears you actually didn't want to hear after all.

I admit, the "jollies" remark was a bit harsh. I should have said, "I don't "think" Henry Kissinger is publicly calling on Obama to secretly plot a scheme to rule the world." But now, I'm fairly sure you don't want to hear what I think.

Let me just clarify and say that I "think" Henry Kissinger is a scumbag, as well, but I "thought" that was irrelevant. And it had already been said. I was simply offering an explanation as to why he used a phrase that we here on ATS think of in a conspiracy bent, but most of the rest of the world thinks of in another way. You said "Correct me if I'm wrong" and I thought perhaps you were misinterpreting the scumbag, Kissinger's meaning.

I will, however, remind you to set emotional reactivity aside and re-consider what I did [and did not] say in the OP.

And I would ask the same of you regarding my post.

Originally posted by ItsTheQuestion
The dog in your avatar is a beautiful creature, and I've admired the beast since I first saw his/her picture.

Thank you. That's my boy, Jaia.

You've made several assumptions in your post, which does not help your argument.

What? I've made assumptions???

I never suggested that Barack Obama would be "rul[ing] the world."

I didn't say you did. That came from the external source that I quoted. The conspiracy theory one. (And before you go off on that, I'm a conspiracy theorist, myself and it's NOT meant as an insult. I've been a member here for years. I know what ATS is.)

The New World Order is a conspiracy theory, in which a powerful and secretive group is plotting to eventually rule the world

One more thing...was the vibe of your post based on a desire to suggest that Henry Kissinger is a "good guy," or was it based on your indignation that I had the audacity to link Pres.-Elect Obama to the NWO [not the nice one that you assume Dr. Kissinger was referring to, either]?

NEITHER. But if only you had ASKED for clarification BEFORE you unleashed on me, I would have happily explained and avoided all this crap. It's very hard for me to continue reading these assumptions and attacks and maintain composure. You put the "vibe" in there, not me.

I'm not going to ask what, in my post, (besides the jollies comment) you are so freaking sure is passive aggressive and aimed at insulting you, but I suggest you reread it without all the assumptions. READ the WORDS. Don't assume my intent, because I PROMISE you, you've got it all wrong. (except for the "jollies" comment.

[edit on 7-1-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]

Kissinger's quote:

"I think that his task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period, when really a "New World Order" can be created. It's a great opportunity.
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"The phrase 'new world order' traces back at least as far as 1940, when author H.G. Wells used it as the title of a book about a socialist, unified, one-world government," writes Drew Zahn. "The phrase has also been linked to American presidents, including Woodrow Wilson, whose work on establishing the League of Nations pioneered the concept of international government bodies, and to the first President Bush, who used the phrase in a 1989 speech."

Without making ANY moral judgments on Kissinger either way, I stand by my original opinion that he's talking about the original meaning of the phrase "new world order", not what we on ATS usually mean when we talk about it.

That doesn't mean that I think he's a benevolent humanitarian. It just means he's talking into a microphone, knowing it's going to be aired and wants to come across as someone who supports Obama and the golden future he represents.

If anyone has any QUESTIONS about my opinion, please ask me before jumping all over me. m-'k? Thanks.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by ItsTheQuestion
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Okay.

There is the New World Order Conspiracy Theory, which is what I think you're "afraid" of:

The New World Order is a conspiracy theory, in which a powerful and secretive group is plotting to eventually rule the world via an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign states and other checks and balances in world power struggles.

And then there's the original meaning of the phrase New World Order, which is what I think Henry Kissinger is actually talking about.

The term "new world order" has been used to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power. The first Western usages of the term surrounded Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points and call for a League of Nations following the devastation of World War I.

But if you get your jollies thinking that Henry Kissinger is publicly calling on Obama to secretly plot to rule the world, be my guest.

I'll be honest and add my dislike of Kissinger for what he did through his direct policies that tantamount to crimes against humanity that make Saddam look quite a naughty boy. There are many people of eminent status that have looked in-depth at what this particular man has done in his life and have come up to the conclusion that he should be tried for war crimes (just search Kissinger and war crimes). And, it would be naive to think that when someone like this makes a statement and uses the term NWO that its anything but harmless or beneficial to anyone other than the elite. One other thing you should have a look at your (harmless NWO source) and look at the references section and then tell me that this isn’t the same people that have shaped the world in terms of military, economic and political agendas that were conceived in secrecy and at the behest of the NWO elite and their agenda. One other thing about Kissinger is his publically stated desire for a reduction in world population, right in line with the NWO elites agenda. “On Dec. 10, 1974, the U.S. National Security Council under Henry Kissinger completed a classified 200-page study, “National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests.”

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