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Originally posted by LowLevelMason ...The person you [Rune Spider] responded to is the type of person that continues to believe in this 1-33 step pyramid myth. He thinks it starts at the bottom with the 1st degree and then continues exclusively with the SR degrees, which completely ignores the reality of the system.
Originally posted by Icarus_Fallen
If I'm the "person" mentioned above, you should have no difficulty highlighting the direct quotes in which the so-called "pyramid myth" has been propounded (or even necessarily supported) in any of my statements in this thread.
Originally posted by Icarus_Fallen
Look, not that the issue is of any real importance to me (Seriously, I couldn’t care less than I do about a group of grown men still playing clubhouse!), but to use your preferred verbiage, 33rd degree Masons have been singled-out and honored for their “outstanding” deeds -- a fact which comports perfectly well to my initial statement: “there are 33rd degree (and beyond?) Masons; then there’s everyone else.”
Originally posted by Icarus_Fallen
Bottom Line: it's my belief, based on the experiences of family members and friends, that money has played a larger role than it should in Freemasonry (not excluding its hierarchical structure). I could expound on this by appealing to "Annual Reports of the Board of Trustees and Officers" and other financial documents dating back to the fifties, but I don't feel especially compelled to do so, primarily because, as I've already said ...these matters just aren't very important to me.
…The top of RuneSpiders post says "reply to post by myrddinzos." Is that you? No? Then I was not talking about you. Now, calm down. Its not worth getting enraged and hysterical over, especially when I wasn't even referring to your post.
For someone who cares so little, you are spending abundant time arguing about this. […]
…Once again, I will remind you the 33rd degree is a honor, much like a honorary academic degree. It does not separate them into a different group.[…]
Matt groening is a 33rd degree Freemason.
once again your a low level mason, new entry i believe,
Originally posted by myrddinzos
1. matt groening is a 33rd degree freemason. 2. once again your a low lvl mason, new entry i believe, of course ur gonna be told what u r being told, w8 several years till u start to move up in degrees, then ur gonna find out very suddenly that some of the things you thought were true arent exactly the same as you thought originally. what u are told will keep changing and eventually when and if you ever get the 33rd degree only then will you find out the truth, and you will be blown away and find out exactly what im talkin about, my grandfather WAS a freemason when he was younger, and that very reason is y he left. just cuz ur inspired by what they are telling u doesnt mean it isnt bs. the nazis were inspired by hitler and that didnt stop them from murdering millions of jews. w8 5-10 years you will see what i mean. your new to the order, they dont truly trust you yet. u cant kno unless you are a 30-33rd degree. so have fun being brainwashed.
The Pet Goat eats everything.
Originally posted by myrddinzos
1. i never said he was a high degree mason.2. i never said runespider was a mason.3. u will see in time, the fact that u are a mason makes it ur job to try and debunk anything about the masons that may seem unlawful or against the face they are trying 2 show, i bet thats why your here in the first place to try and throw people off. and i never said how many years he was in the masons also back when he was in the masons their sytem was much different than it is today. there were not as many masons, i may have been a bit ill informed about 30-32 due to the change. and what about the 33rd degrees. hmmmmm. they have obviously changed their system of info since my grandfather was a mason.
i have heard of many more people leaving the masons. this argument will get nowhere because u are a mason. i believe in equality as well but im not gonna join some society to get it. also u cant deny that the cross of lorraine is on the masonic crest. and your also dsaying to deny everything that comes from conspiracy sites.....what the hell are u doing on this site then.
Originally posted by Icarus_Fallen
I realize that the upper echelon of other orders or "rites" (E.G. 12th degree Masons of The York Rite) should be evaluated in the contexts of their respective groups.
Originally posted by RuneSpider
The York Rite gets more discriminatory as you move along it.
The final three degrees require you to be Christian, and to swear to defend the faith.
Except in the US, it seems, it's invitation only.
"All true Masons know that their work is not secret.
They also realize that it must remain unknown to all who do not live the true Masonic Life.
If the secrets of Masonry were shouted from the housetops they would be absolutely safe. Certain spiritual qualities are necessary before Masonic secrets can be understood by the Brothers themselves. It is only those who have been weighed in the balance and found true, upright, and square who have prepared themselves by their own growth to appreciate the inner meanings of their Craft.
To the rest of their Brethren within or without the Lodge their sacred rituals must remain, as Shakespeare might have said, "Words, words, words."
Within the Mason's own being is concealed the Power, which, blazing forth from his purified being, constitutes the Builder's Word. His life is the password which admits him to the true Masonic Lodge.
His spiritual urge is the sprig of acacia which through the darkness of ignorance still proves that spiritual fire is alight. Within himself he must build those qualities which will make possible his true understanding of the Craft.
He can show the world only forms which mean nothing; the life within is forever concealed until the eye of Spirit reveals it."
Manly Hall
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