Career Army officer sues Rumsfeld, Cheney, saying no evacuation order given on 9/11, page 4
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reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 03:05 PM by tezzajw
reply to post by ZEN357

Deny ignorance and read the article!

The officer is a she, not a he!


reply posted on 28-12-2008 @ 08:31 PM by lunarminer
I can't believe that this post is still going on.

1.) The Vice President and the Secretary of Defense are immune from lawsuits in the performance of their official duties of office. Unless, it can be proven that they acted unlawfully, or were derilect in their duties. That is a tough one to prove. In hindsight we might say that the Pentagon "should have been evacuated", but it is not unlawfull not to do so. It was a judgement call. What if the incomming plane had plowed through hundreds of unprotected people in the parking lots of the Pentagon?

2.) As I pointed out in a previous post. The evacuation of the Pentagon was not the Vice President's call to make. He is not in the direct chain of command. It would be like Alexander Haig when he declaired that he was, "in charge here", when Reagan was shot. It was Donald Rumsfeld's call and he chose not to evacuate the Pentagon, and he himself was at his desk when the plane hit. It's a pretty poor conspirator that sits at his desk while he "knows" that an incomming airplane could take him out. There is nothing unlawfull here.

3.) While it may be true that the airplane was being tracked on radar, it would be impossible to tell which building was the target. There are so many good ones within a two mile radius of where the airplane hit. There is the Capitol, the White House, the Treasury, the Washington Monument, Jefferson Memorial, Smithsonian Institute, to name a few. It would be impossible to evacuate all those sites in the few minutes that they had. In fact the buildings provided far better protection than thousands of people out in the open, or on the road. The mass evacuation of the area would have created an immediate traffic jam with thousands stuck in it. Just stop by that area around 4:30pm on a weekday.

4.) The alert jets could not get there in time. The very best option available was to intercept and shoot down the incoming plane. However, it has be documented dozens of times that the alert jets were not ready to intercept (had no weapons loaded), and were too far away to reach the site before impact. This is not the fault of Cheney or Rumsfeld. These jets were normally used to escort Russian planes down our east coast. Since the end of the Cold War, these jets are unarmed. This was SOP up until 9/11.

5.) The first time in history when multiple planes were highjacked and flown into buildings was on 9/11. The first plane had hit the WTC about 45 minutes earlier. Several planes were being tracked at the time of the Pentagon impact. Is it surprising that our response was less than timely? Is it surprising that some bad decisions (in hindsight) were made? The best decision made that day was probably the decision to order all aircraft to ground themselves at the nearest airport and to revoke all clearances to take off. Who knows how many lives were saved by this move?

Here's a good link for the timeline and the who did what when stuff.
www.historycommons.org...

Why would we expect that the military, FAA, NORAD, the President, etc. would perform flawlessly to a "bolt from the blue" attack? Especially when such an attack has not happened before?

Last of all, I would like to point out that we had more warnings about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. We had much more military in the area of the attack. The attacks were spread out across a longer timeline. Yet, we did just as poorly against that attack. So, I am not at all surprised that we failed to stop the airliners, or that we failed to recognize the threat sooner. I am also not surprised that we are still debating the "root cause".


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 09:13 PM by defendant
reply to post by Carlthulhu

Attorney William Veale, in this case, is intent on a good action. For I will come right out and say this with no fear, based on the fact that NO EVACCUATION ORDER WAS MADE, it is high time to sue the living dickens out of some high positioned sons of a _-_-_!
The sooner that the stinkers with all the power start getting their butts whooped, the sooner we can start dreaming about justice and liberty for all once again and not have to worry about losing our freedom.


reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 09:22 PM by defendant
reply to post by welivefortheson

I beleive you are right. Question is WHY do those truly nasty entities want to depopulate the world. It also shows how much those high positioned people really give a darn about whether the rest of us live or die. They aint out to protect us, they're out to rule us and protect their sorry selves.



reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 08:13 PM by TrueAmerican
Here is April Gallop schooling the "Screw Loose Change" people, and even Jim Marrs on reporter etiquette, and from their own blog! :

...I was on the inside of a building with my newborn, whom I didn't know was going to survive!! Can you relate to all the emotions I was feeling at one time?? I thought that was one of the most secure building in all of the United States. I wasn't on the outside when the building was hit. From the inside it sounded like a bomb. When we worked to escape and helps others as well..I don't recall any debris from a plane. That is what most reporters want to know from those on the inside..Did I see any plane debris?? NO I didn't.

I was triaged. And by the time I made it to the hospital..with my child, yes I was very afraid beyond your understanding. In spite of my faith in GOD. I didn't know what happened. Representatives from each military service came to the local hospitals to find those in the military for accountability. I was informed by the representative from the Army (whose name i will leave out) that it was a plane that hit the building. When that seed was planted, that it was a plane that actually hit the buidling at a time I am in a hospital bed, it added to my fears, anxieties etc.. So yes, I became fearful of riding planes, jumpy when hearing them ....Jim Mars distorted that comment for his gain.

What you should examine, is how one of the most secure buildings get attacked and no security mechanisms work on that particular day. Not one alarm went off prior to the hit. Why don't you examine that instead of attacking people that you don't personally interview?? Writers, reports distort comments for various reasons. Some change their writings because their space was decreased in a newspaper or their Editor didn't like their write up...so many reasons. But it doesn't make it right.

Your blog space have alterior motives to discredit. Because you take articles that would appear to be direct quotes without doing actual interviews for your own motives. Again, instead of going after people go after real issues. As I stated the Pentagon deemed to be one of the most secure buildings was attacked and we saw on national TV recently how not one security mechanism worked. And I can verify, not one alarm went off. How is it on one particular day no mechanism worked??? Spend time analyzing real issues.


screwloosechange.blogspot.com...

So they sent military reps to tell her that a plane hit the building while she was in the hospital. And she makes it sound like she wasn't the only one they visited, either.

Notice she was knocked unconscious AFTER the roof collapsed onto her office. I find the people attempting to write her experience off because she was injured and therefore cannot be trusted shallow, to say the very least.

But yet she was able to help others to the point of recalling that she saw no plane debris? So she just walked right by the supposed plane "debris" that was on the Pentalawn and didn't notice?

[edit on Wed Jan 7th 2009 by TrueAmerican]
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