Worst President in history? Come On!!!

dz, "vacation" for a president doesn't mean ski trips and surfing. It means "not being in the White House". The nation is under more strain now than it has been in almost one hundred and fifty years, and not everything can be taken care of from behind the same single desk, regardless of what Kerry might tell you.

Kerry didn't tell me anything. In fact, I'm sorry to say that I'm not up to date on the current Presidential Candidates so I don't get to hear anyone's propoganda. Being in school + having to work doesn't give me too much free time.

It is sick how some try to compare Bush to the likes of Hitler. That Incubus music video Megalow-maniac is ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but these haters need to get a clue.

If those terrorist who hate us could they would nuke every city in our country and we need to have somewhat wartime restrictions in place to protect ourselves.

My only gripe with the administration and republicans in general is they neglect the enviroment. For those of who care we need to do our part in trying to make it better and I dont mean by protesting. We can all get more efficient cars, recylcle more, cleanup trash, take action in restoring lost habitats, ect.. Our country is still cleaner than all the other big nations. It is up to us to take action, the government has plenty of duties as is.

There has always been and always will be those in high places who are corrupt and abuse their power, I can only pray that those will be exposed and given the boot.

Those of you who are so concerned with Bush must have been totally freaking when Clinton was president, considering all the things he did to not only undermine personal liberties and national security but also to undermine national sovereignty! The patriot act was Clinton's idea to begin with, he just had no way to implement it.

Back to the question, the worst president. In my lifetime? Jimmy Carter. The only two saving points in his admin was Andrew Young and Billy Carter; both of which kept Jimmy in constant trouble!

The best one? Gerald Ford. He didn't do anything worth mentioning and was also comic relief. Anyone else remember him hitting a reporter with a golf ball? Stumbling all the time? Stepping on the Queen's foot while waltzing with her? He was a riot!!

Originally posted by jrod
It is sick how some try to compare Bush to the likes of Hitler. That Incubus music video Megalow-maniac is ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but these haters need to get a clue.

As much as I dislike Bush, he is no Hitler. I agree that there are some people that need to know where to draw the line.

If those terrorist who hate us could they would nuke every city in our country and we need to have somewhat wartime restrictions in place to protect ourselves.

Yes, if those terrorists had the power, they would definately bomb our cities and take over our country. We would never do that though cause we're not terrorists. Just ask our friends Afghanistan and Iraq about it.

There has always been and always will be those in high places who are corrupt and abuse their power, I can only pray that those will be exposed and given the boot.

Agreed. It's something that is hard to prevent. I just wish our country would stand together and realize how bad Bush has been, and not just take everything for face value because CNN told them so.

Our country was formed on Freedom. And now they're being taken away as we sit and watch, all in the name of Terrorism.

If you ask me, the terrorists are winning. They wanted to change our lives for the worst, and that they have.

As for the worst president in history, I dont have a clue, I'm no historian, I got opinions on some though. GWB is no where close to the worse president ever.

I hate Andrew Jackson's treatment of the native people, Hoover and the economy is another bad one, Ulysses Grant was just an alcoholic general who wasnt bad, but I pretty sure his administration was one of the most corrupt ever.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
The patriot act was Clinton's idea to begin with, he just had no way to implement it.

So are you suggesting that it may just be a bad idea? Considering a specific event had to happen in order tog et it through congress. Clinton may have dreamed it up, but this administration were the ones that allowed the atttacks to happen to impliment it. But that's Clintons fault too, huh...

Bush gets my vote for the most corrupt...

That is right, it is clintons fault. The #ing bastard, still passing laws years after leaving office.

But this doesn't even make sense, just because 10 guys have had a worse time in office, means Bush is qualified to continue?

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by jhh]

Erm....

Yes.

Yes it does.

Originally posted by jrod
Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this
war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal
recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history.
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to
remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

Before all is said and done, whether it be 10 years, 20 years or far more, I believe it will be found out that 9/11 was GWB's fault. That's a IMO, and you might not care what I think, but I'm sure I aint the only one (yea I had to get 'negroidian' on that one).

Our president is doing the right thing.

*See above.

How can you blame GWB for 9/11??

Its not his or America's fault that the alliance of anti-americans is made up of miserable liberals that blame America for ill in the third world. Not to mention conservatives suffering from power-envy, angry that the world's only superpower can do what it likes without having to ask permission. GWB gets worse press than Saddam Hussein. Absolutely sickening.

Originally posted by JustAnIllusion
How can you blame GWB for 9/11??

Its not his or America's fault that the alliance of anti-americans is made up of miserable liberals that blame America for ill in the third world. Not to mention conservatives suffering from power-envy, angry that the world's only superpower can do what it likes without having to ask permission. GWB gets worse press than Saddam Hussein. Absolutely sickening.

It is a presidents job to take care of this country. At 9/11, he failed. Yes, it is his fault. He might not have pulled the trigger, but it was pulled, and he failed.

I don't know enough about American history to make comments on the full list but I can straighten this one out.

"FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us:
Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average
of 112,500 per year."


If you didn't know it already it was Germany that declared war on the USA and not the USA led by FDR that declared war on Germany.

With that in mind the above quoted statement looks pretty ignorant IMO.

Originally posted by JustAnIllusion
How can you blame GWB for 9/11??

Just like this:

It has been proven, claimed on National TV in the 9/11 hearings that ONE of the MOST LIKELY possible methods of attack that Al-Qaeda was choosing (granted it was among about 10 different methods) was to hijack planes and fly them into numerous targets, including (but not limited to) The San Francisco Bay bridge, WTC, The Pentagon, The White House, and others.

I'm sure the reasons steps weren't taken to ensure airport security would stand up to the task pre-9/11 were any/all of the following :
1. Too costly
2. Didn't want to scare the public

Also, it has been proven that OBL and GWB have had ties to each other before GWB even considered running for any public office (the Bin Laden family brokered investment deals with GWB's long-defunct oil company, Arbusto Energy Ltd.). So its not as if OBL dropped out of the sky.

The simple fact that Arbusto is long gone, and never made any real money, coupled with the fact that OBL invested in it, shows what? That GWB LOST that money-- and that would piss anyone off.

I'm sorry, but when a rich man from half-way around the world who once invested in your company, is trying to kill you and your entire country, that SCREAMS of some injustice-- and not simply on the side of OBL.
(yes OBL is wacked, and a nut job, I'll not say otherwise, but so is GWB to some extent that we can't fully understand right now)

Originally posted by Muaddib
Bangin......I guess 9/11 didn't happen and thousands of Americans and others didn't die.

It is known that Saddam has helped terrorist organizations just like every dictator and communist country in the World. Saddam is not the only one, but he was the first one.

Er, I think you need to qualify this sweeping and very broad statement, is every communist or socialist country on the planet a sponsor of terrorism ?

also, do you think that the only way to deal with a country / regime which backs / sponsors terrorism is to invade them and bring about a change in the leadership ?

The problems lie with the blinkered attitude of those arguing the point for GWB.

You have an inability to stand in the shoes of the victims.

They don't have big guns, they're the Men, Women and children who die at the hands of dictators backed by US money and arms, in return the US gets yet another puppet and what ever they can rape the country of.

That is until, the dictator they've placed into the position of power suddenly bites the hand thats been feeding them cack, and then it's time for yet more Men, Women and Children to die.

If you guys believe you have done nothing wrong, you're not blinkered, you're blind with ignorance and arrogance.

I personally see one good thing in all this, finally the rest of the world hates a country which isn't Britain...!!

Originally posted by Muaddib
It is known that Saddam has helped terrorist organizations just like every dictator and communist country in the World. Saddam is not the only one, but he was the first one.

First of all, Saddam has mainly helped terrorist organizations that did what he wanted them to do, which did include killing Iraqi's. The problem that comes into play, is that in Iraq there are 3 factions of religiously different, militant peoples, that, without a bold, forceful hand to clamp down on them would fight and kill each other off. Oh! What a surprise, that's what they're doing now, except for the time being they're MORE focused on killing the blasted Americans that are running their gov't.

Secondly, if it were simply an operation to help free the Iraqi's, a far more successful operation could have been run in other terrorist-like regime's such as Libya, some of the countries in Africa, Haiti and others. These battles could have been fought and won by now, IMO-- which might have influenced Saddam before we had to show up at his doorstep.

Originally posted by dz
While I'm at it, I'll tell you more things I love about our current administration.

I love how every person in the world is now classified as a terrorist. Let me tell you, this will make our image to other countries even better! I bet people are going to be so excited when they enter our country and immediately have to scan their fingerprints and eyes. Ya, I can't wait for that.

A database of everyone in the world that enters the United States. Oh yeah, and we're only going to use it to better your privacy. Don't forget, we stand strong about Freedom and Freedom of Privacy here. Freedom of Speech too. We love Freedom. Just don't tell the Iraqi radio station that we blew up because they were broadcasting messages that we didn't agree with.

Speaking of which, I'm so happy we went there. The Iraqi's really love us. I mean, ya the occassional suicide bombing killing us so we get out is just a show of passion, right? We'll call it hazing. They love us over in Iraq. And afghanistan too. Everyone loves to be westernized! Nevermind they had their own cultures, ours is better! Nevermind Baghdad was an old historic city, we need to blow it up to get rid of the terrorists that are there! And trust me we'll find those Weapons of Mass Destruction. After all, Mr. Bush and CNN told us they are there so they have to be! They're probably just hidden under all the rubble waiting to be found.

Like a treasure!

Why do Americans keep boasting about the freedoms that they have in the US as though they have more freedoms than everyone else? Because it's rubbish. The US is ranked only 14th in the world for democacy. Ten European countries and Australia, Canada and New Zealand have more freedoms than the US.

www.worldaudit.org...

Somebody please show me the proof that GWB caused 9/11 to happen. I'm so sick of all you finger pointers blaming the president for the planes flying into the towers that killed thousands of people!

But on anoite that does'nt involve Bush bashing or CLinton bashing, look at the other presidens such as Franklin Peirce, James Buchannon or William H. Harrison who died after a month. They did'nt do anything to help our country at least Bush has, and Clinton may have done 1 good thing.