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Topic started on 2-12-2008 @ 08:42 PM by baseball101

Cal Study: Poor Kids Lack Brain Development


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University of California, Berkeley, researchers have shown for the first time that the brains of low-income children function differently from the brains of high-income kids. In short, they don't perform as well.

In a study recently published in the Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience, scientists said that normal 9- and 10-year-olds, differing only in socioeconomic status, have detectable differences in the response of their prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain that is critical for problem solving and creativity.

Brain function was measured by means of an electroencephalograph, through a cap fitted with electrodes to measure electrical activity in the brain. Similar devices are used to assess epilepsy, sleep disorders and brain tumors.
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reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 08:47 PM by baseball101
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Kishiyama, Knight, Boyce and their colleagues selected 26 children ages 9 and 10 from a group of children in the WINKS study.

Half were from families with low incomes and half from families with high incomes.

For each child, the researchers measured brain activity while he or she was engaged in a simple task: watching a sequence of triangles projected on a screen.

The subjects were instructed to click a button when a slightly skewed triangle flashed on the screen.

The researchers were interested in the brain's very early response - within as little as 200 milliseconds, or a fifth of a second - after a novel picture was flashed on the screen, such as a photo of a puppy or of Mickey and Minnie Mouse.

"An EEG allows us to measure very fast brain responses with millisecond accuracy," Kishiyama said.

The researchers discovered a dramatic difference in the response of the prefrontal cortex not only when an unexpected image flashed on the screen, but also when children were merely watching the upright triangles waiting for a skewed triangle to appear.


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there's your answer kinda a low number to base such a claim on IMO

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reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 08:56 PM by baseball101
reply to post by philosopherrose



i agree with you still kind of surprising that California-Berkeley would produce this and have it portrayed in the sense that poor kids are dumb, and rich kids are smart.


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 09:03 PM by eradown
reply to post by baseball101

Poor American kids eat a different diet than the rich American kids eat. Poor kids eat more GMO foods. They also eat melamine laden baby foods.The europeans have proven that rats fed a diet of GMO foods have smaller brains. The rich kids eat expensive organic foods. The ptb want poor kids to be unhealthy and dumb. Because the poor kids were not fed properly, it is impossible to tell how smart they should have been.



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reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 09:34 PM by americandingbat
I actually think the headline is kind of misleading (not your fault, OP, you're following rules by using the exact headline).

If you read the article, they make it clear that they don't think these are genetic differences, nor do they think that poverty itself causes a lack of development in the brain. It's that as a rule, poor children are less likely to be exposed to a wide variety of intellectual stimulation than wealthy children – more books, more museums, more travel. And as someone already remarked, poor kids are more likely to eat less healthy diets than rich children.

So it's not a question of being smarter vs. less smart in an absolute sense, but rather confirmation that environment plays a crucial role in the developing brain.

The poor children, according to this study, started out with the same potential as the rich kids (actually, I think they're assuming this), but by age 9 or 10 there were measurable differences in how their brains worked.

Of course, this study was only on 26 kids, so I think it's really more suggestive than conclusive. And even if it were on 2600 kids, so-called "smartness" will always exist on a continuum, with any two groups overlapping.

One thing this study does suggest is that it would be an awful good thing to put some effort into making our public school systems more than babysitters if we want to continue to be a country where the poor have a decent shot at competing with the rich.


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 09:56 PM by eradown
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Education is important ,but the best teachers will not be successful if our food supply is not improved. The deliberate dumbing down of children is pretty horrible and unnessary considering the rumours that the rich and powerful are already having their children genetically enhanced through gene manipulation. That is if they aren't cloning themselves outright. It takes a special kind of arrogance to deliberately turn the children of the poor into troglodites while giving yourself glory.


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 10:05 PM by nine-eyed-eel
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This is just "The Bell Curve"...poor people are stupid, stupid people are poor...I'm always having to make this assertion on ATS, doesn't anybody else want to state something so obvious?
(And "My taxidriver is smarter than my lawyer" is one datapoint and not a statistical refutation)


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 10:48 PM by Unlimitedpossibilities
reply to post by asmeone2



Yes. That is why social mobility in America basically a myth (some exceptions of course).

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Originally posted by eradown
reply to post by baseball101

Poor American kids eat a different diet than the rich American kids eat. Poor kids eat more GMO foods. They also eat melamine laden baby foods.The europeans have proven that rats fed a diet of GMO foods have smaller brains. The rich kids eat expensive organic foods. The ptb want poor kids to be unhealthy and dumb. Because the poor kids were not fed properly, it is impossible to tell how smart they should have been.



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Exactly! Cheaper foods = Less Nutrition. If a brain has malnutrition, then how is it suppose to grow to its full potential? This also inhibits social mobility on a disgusting level.


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Again I agree since money can make or break a "good" or "bad" school. It makes sense.


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reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 11:36 PM by WyrdeOne
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Let's see...

The imbalance starts BEFORE CONCEPTION - the parents of poor kids often lack essential nutrients as a result of poor diet, and they're also more likely to be exposed to environmental factors that damage the chromosomes. How's it feel to be screwed over and hobbled before you were even so much as a twinkle in your daddy's eye?

It continues during pregnancy - the mothers of poor children don't eat as well, and they generally don't have the luxury of buying whatever they need to correct nutritional deficiencies. How many poor mothers sit at home for hours a day and play mozart for their unborn child? It's not that they're bad people, it's just that they're closer to the edge of survival, and have more pressing concerns. Simple heirarchy of needs stuff...

Then you have the infant/toddler years. Poor kids are more likely to be raised in daycare, where they won't get the one on one stimulation. They're more likely to be denied adequate nutrition, access to books and other educational materials. They're overall less likely to be exposed to art and music and all the other things wealthy parents take for granted.

Moving on to primary school, the kids are glass-ceilinged (to coin a term), by lowest common denominator public schools and a mentality of 'born trash - die trash' that exists, not just in the halls of academia and the statehouses of our great nation, but also in the homes of these kids.

High school? It gets worse. College? It doesn't happen. Masters degree? Forget it.

Why does this surprise anyone?

It doesn't take a brain scan to predict or observe the results of this experiment.

Hell, there are probably at least a dozen more factors here that we haven't even discussed - like the average number of children per household (more in poor families, which would lead to less attention to each individual), the chances of single parent families (more in poor folks), the chances of learning disability diagnosis (less in poor folks), the chance of being read to (less in poor families) - and I'm certain there are others.

Basically, nothing has changed in the last ~3000 years, and we should all just stop trying to equate technological progress with social progress. Welcome to Feudalism v.2.0.0.9.


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