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I'm a Socialist Libertarian.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by coven
I'm a Socialist Libertarian.
Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence.
Since Hawaii issues “Certificates of Live Birth” to children not born in Hawaii and “Birth Certificates” to children who are born in Hawaii, the only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama’s original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him.
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;
Originally posted by bohica8161
Nice try....however the U.S. Constitution clearly states that in order to be presidnet of the united states you "must be born on US Soil" or "both parents need to be U.S. Cititzens at the time of the birth of the individual in question".
example. Arnold Schwarzenegger = citizen and Governor of CA --CAN NOT become president as he was not born on American soil, to American parents, so he can not be President. The Constitution is pretty clear in that is does not allow for anyone born outside the USA to be allowed to be commander in chief of the USA.
Originally posted by Evisscerator
I love it when folks won't post the entire source document, cut and paste sections that bolster their opinion rather than fact:
Originally posted by Nessosin
I've always been under the impression that "natural-born citizen" just means that you're automatically a citizen when you're born. IE your parents are citizens, or you're born on US soil. If either of his parents are American then I don't see how there is any debate about it.
Originally posted by phinubian
I remember a few months ago during the election, NPR had a segment on discussing this, they also mentioned McCain also and they brought up something relative the military which by proxy meant he was born as a citizen in a territory considered to be U.S. sanctioned, a base possibly.
Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.
(a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this Act, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.
Originally posted by DarrylGalasso
In that case it should be easy enough to provide proof of citizenship. So I guess the big question is, why is he avoiding it like the plague.
As regarding the issues surrounding Senator Obama's birth certificate, and if it may please this Honorable Court, I would point out that Senator Obama has not been presented with a genuine legal request from a party with proper standing to command him in any way, and therefore he has no legal responsibility to submit or to bend his integrity. And for that, he certainly deserves respect.
Originally posted by TKainZero
great post coven... but i ask you this...
Reguardless of where Obama was born, when he was adopted by his mothers second husband, he lost his US Natural Born Citizenship.
This issue of him going to school in the Far East, under the Name, Barry Soetoro, SUPER-CEDES ANY QUESTIONS about:
His possible birth in Kenya
His mothers underage birth at the time
and the countless other questions surrounding him
Originally posted by AceWombat04
With that said, if the constitution states, "natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States," (emphasis added) then isn't it even more moot than just not defining what "natural born" means? Since it says, "or a Citizen of the United States," making a distinction between "natural born citizen" and the latter, doesn't that eliminate the necessity of being a "natural born citizen" regardless?
Originally posted by irishgrl
however I also found this:
(g) (...) totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:
If she gave birth to Obama at 16, and spent at least 5 years in the States, (2 after the age of 14) then she is a citizen, and so is her child, apparently, regardless of where he/she was born or the status of his/her legitimacy...If I understand this correctly...