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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by CAConrad0825
If he is a true "Ph.D." then he should release his credentials


Oh, no, no, no. We don't need to see his credentials. He's an honest and trustworthy man... He has "Dr." on the front of his name.


How easy would it have been for him to include some of his credentials in the video?

Interesting website: What's Your Evidence?




posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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So how do you respond to the British citizenship issue, which concludes that even if Obama could prove he was born in Hawaii, he was still a British citizen at the time of his birth?



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 07:11 PM
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reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


Again, considering you are so sure he isn't an American and hasn't been vetted, surely you can show how other president's have provided more documentation to the public:

The Obama Challenge



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
So how do you respond to the British citizenship issue, which concludes that even if Obama could prove he was born in Hawaii, he was still a British citizen at the time of his birth?


Please forgive me, but I must say, reading that gave me the best laugh I've had in quite a while.

Will this all end with allegations that Obama had quad citizenship in Britain, Kenya, USA and Antarctica?

Maybe he is actually from another galaxy?

Or ... could he be from another dimension?

We all know one thing for sure there is only one TrueAmerican.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Again, considering you are so sure he isn't an American


I'm not SURE of anything related to this, other than judging from what I've seen, there are questions that might be answered with the original. Once you understand that the original could show the original place of birth differently because of Hawaii's laws at the time, it is necessary for the sake of clearing any doubt, to see the original.


...surely you can show how other president's have provided more documentation to the public:


I believe that is a tangent to this you have gone on with that thread by your own reasoning, and honestly I think you are trying to draw parallels where not many similar exist:

So many weird circumstances have come up with particular candidate concerning his citizenship that we have the Donofario case already referred for discussion, and the Berg case up for consideration in the Supreme Court of the United States. As well as all those other suits, especially the Keye's case who appears to have some real standing. With THAT kind of pressure, and not the mere rantings of the internet, I will continue to watch this unfold, not deterred by the accusers. Other presidents did not have these kind of circumstances, and that is why I prefer to stay out of your thread. But hey, knock yerself out.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Tomorrow we have an illegal alien commanding the most powerful military in the history of mankind, with the burden of morality lifted by the precedents set.


That doesn't sound like someone who "isn't sure" to me.


Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Other presidents did not have these kind of circumstances, and that is why I prefer to stay out of your thread. But hey, knock yerself out.


Right, but Obama can't win. He has had his COLB released. He has had the State of Hawaii verify his birth there. What else could you possibly want?

But that's not enough, people want to see them. People are now asking for a multitude of documents besides his BC. Stuff like this:


Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released

Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released

Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released

Punahou School records -- Not released

Selective Service Registration -- Released – Proven Counterfeit

Occidental College records -- Not released

Passport (Pakistan) -- Not released

Columbia College records -- Not released

Columbia thesis -- Not released

Harvard College records -- Not released

Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, Not Signed)

Baptism certificate -- None

Medical records -- Not released

Illinois State Senate records -- None (Locked up to prohibit public view)

Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost (All other Illinois state senators' records are intact)

Law practice client list -- Not released

University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

Conspiracy Blog Sites So Reputable That Talk Radio Is Now Picking Up On This Crap

Those have nothing to do with his birth. If a BC won't do it, providing those documents won't either. For people to claim he is withholding this crap, and that it is his responsibility to release it, then they must have other presidents who have done the same.



posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b
Big Deal, read the laws, Obama could have been born in Kenya, his mother lived in the U.S. as a resident for the required amount of time to make Obama a naturalized citizen through his mother's status.


The "holes" in your statement are the facts:

1. His Mama was not on US soil when he was born.
2. His Mama, as of 1961 law, was underage disallowing his citizenship status.
3. If Kenya was under British rule at the time of his birth there, it makes him a citizen of Great Britian and automatically disqualifies his run for the Office of the President of the UsA.



posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
So how do you respond to the British citizenship issue, which concludes that even if Obama could prove he was born in Hawaii, he was still a British citizen at the time of his birth?


He WAS. He had dual citizenship with Kenya at birth. Either when he turned 18 or in 1963, when Kenya became independent, his Kenyan citizenship dropped away because he did not "renew" it. This was (is?) on his own website.

What are we supposed to think about it? If born in Hawaii, he is a natural-born citizen. Other citizenships don't take that away.

Remember, even a child of 2 illegal aliens, if born in the US, is a natural-born citizen of the US. Nothing takes that away.



posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Evisscerator
1. His Mama was not on US soil when he was born.
2. His Mama, as of 1961 law, was underage disallowing his citizenship status.
3. If Kenya was under British rule at the time of his birth there, it makes him a citizen of Great Britian and automatically disqualifies his run for the Office of the President of the UsA.


Do you have evidence that he was born in Kenya?
Just how would dual citizenship with GB (even if it were true) automatically disqualify him?

You post a lot of statements with NO sources...



posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 08:02 AM
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The man in the video is a dolt. He's pointing out rank amateur mistakes. What's scary isn't that the paper may be fake, but that the folks commissioned to hire someone to do the jobs don't have the wherewithal to know when someone is dunce at this kind of thing. I could have done a much better job with my skills.



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 03:09 AM
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It has been going on since before the election. There are a bunch of people trying to get to the bottom of it, but no court will hear the case.



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Do you have evidence that he was born in Kenya?


No more than Obama has provided "evidence" of being born in the States.

That CoLB he posted could be regarded as hearsay just as much as the Kenyan ambassador's statements and Obama's grandmother's statements.

As to the argument that "Oh, this is just a technicality- Obama's lived as an American all his life and deserves the presidency;"

well I don't see any of you pointing out the same parallel with Berg's case getting thrown out on a "technicality." Even though what Berg claims may have merit, because he did not have standing- the technicality- it means all Berg's work on the matter, no matter how valid, is inconsequential. Yeah, tell me about technicalities.



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 12:24 PM
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soo.......... no proof he was born in kenya

no proof he was born in hawaii

the obvious thing to do is assume he was born in kenya then right?



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


Again, considering you are so sure he isn't an American and hasn't been vetted, surely you can show how other president's have provided more documentation to the public:

The Obama Challenge


can you prove that this isn't the first time we questioned the natural born status of a soon to be president? I was under the assumption that its the first time. (I could be wrong) and even if it wasn't how was any american supposed to hear about it before the internet? you think our media, the ones run by the elites, is going to tell you? we haven't asked for proof before because we never had this happen in history yet.(again just my own thoughts I could be wrong but I have not found any thing that says different yet.) show me that this isnt the first time in history that we have questioned the natural born status of the canidate and we will look into why they were not questioned about this also.



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


soo.......... no proof he was born in kenya

no proof he was born in hawaii

the obvious thing to do is assume he was born in kenya then right?


The logical conclusion here would be that he was never born at all...right?

He has produced proof of his being born in Hawaii. Many suspect it's a forgery though. He's also released his selective service registration and it's a suspected forgery too. I really don't know who to believe. I'd really like to see the long form released to settle things once and for all. I think his spending nearly a million dollars to keep from having to release it is suspect. Then again, I didn't vote for the guy so I'm a little biased.



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 12:45 PM
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I have to disagree. We have a valid COLB (which you claim is not enough), and a state vouching for Obama. You have... a tape that has not been produced and a few lawsuits that provide no evidence (only ask for it).

Hardly conclusive or close. The best thing you can do is wait for due process and quit while you're not so far behind. The probability that this is all based off of nothing is pretty high, and I'd hate to see this take away from your credibility.

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Suspected by one person who never proved the claim. I never saw anywhere that she proved that the number was added onto the front. The entire claim was based off of it, and she spent about two sentences on it, and then moved on without proving it.

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posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 12:55 PM
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I found times we have questioned so I was wrong.

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit] Presidential candidates born outside the US
It is disputed whether the foreign-born children of US citizens are natural born citizens.[7] While every President and Vice President to date (as of 2008) has either been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789, or else born in the United States, there have been some presidential candidates who were born outside the United States.[14]

Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona in 1909, and ran for the Presidency as a Republican Party candidate in 1964. Goldwater's natural born citizenship status was questioned because Arizona was a territory of the United States, and did not become a state until 1912.

George Romney, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968, was born in Mexico to U.S. parents. Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney's parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States in 1912. Romney was 32 years old when he arrived in Michigan. Romney never received Mexican citizenship, because the country's nationality laws had been restricted to jus-sanguinis statutes due to prevailing politics especially aimed against American settlers.[15]

Lowell Weicker, the former Connecticut Senator, Representative, and Governor, entered the race for the Republican party nomination of 1980 but dropped out before voting in the primaries began. He was born in Paris, France and acquired his citizenship at birth through his parents. His father was an executive for E. R. Squibb & Sons and his mother was the Indian-born daughter of a British general.[16]

Róger Calero was born in Nicaragua in 1969 and ran as the Socialist Worker's Party Presidential Candidate in 2004 and 2008. In 2008, Calero appeared on the ballot in Delaware, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York and Vermont.[17]

John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and was the Republican nominee in 2008, was born in 1936 at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents.[18] In March 2008 McCain was held eligible for Presidency in an opinion paper by former Solicitor General Ted Olson and Harvard Law Professor Laurence H. Tribe.[19] In April 2008 the US Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain's status as a natural born citizen.[20] In September 2008 a Federal District judge said obiter that it was "highly probable" that McCain was a natural born citizen of the United States owing to the citizenship legislation existing at the time.[21][22] These views have been criticized by Gabriel J. Chin, Professor of Law at the University of Arizona, who claims that McCain was at birth a citizen of Panama and was only retroactively declared a born citizen under 8 U.S.C. § 1403.[23]



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Reply to Walkswithfish:

No. If Barry and the DNC falsified his eligibility to hold the office of President of the United States as laid out in the Constitution, this needs to be uncovered and exposed. If Barry is ineligible to be President according to the Constitution, how can he truthfully swear on his inauguration to uphold the Constitution?


Because McCain has natural citizen issues himself bro.

www.factcheck.org...



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 03:45 PM
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McCain is not a natural born U.S. citizen nor is he a naturalized ctitizen until he's sworn in by the Dept. of Imigration

www.talkingpointsmemo.com...

[edit on 4-12-2008 by vanosman]

[edit on 4-12-2008 by vanosman]



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by BlueTriangle
I think his spending nearly a million dollars to keep from having to release it is suspect. Then again, I didn't vote for the guy so I'm a little biased.


Ok, after weeks of reading this claim, I still have not seen anyone offer any proof that this man is hiding anything, let alone spending vast amounts of dollars to do so. I agree with your logic, he must not have been born anywhere.

Here it what we have, more people claiming he is lying, covering up, hiding the truth, whatever, blah blah blah, than not. Unfortunately, the only people offering any proof of what they say are the ones who do not buy this crap.

I would very much like to see all this evidence of a major coverup. It is one thing to listen to Hannity, it is quite another to go see what the truth is about something.





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