Pleiadian Talk - Messages from the Great White Brotherhood, page 1

Why is an "enlightened being" quoting from freemasonrywatch, which is a WIDELY known for being completely inaccurate and even most anti-masons don't believe in the stuff that is there? I know from personal experience that I've never seen anything on that site which is correct, and even if you don't have the personal experience of being a mason you could find out it was all made up if you just did the research instead of googling conspiracy theories.

The photo link is of the old logo, just to end the mass hysteria about the symbol being a "pentagram" when it never was they decided to change it. It was never meant to be anything but a five point star:
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Yes, they can change the logo because the pentagram has no meaning in the order. It never did, but in any case it was changed to make it even more obvious that its all it was ever meant to be: a five point star.

Of course, as a illuminated being with so much truth, you seem to not understand something that anyone who has done a few minutes of research on the pentagram finds out: there is nothing innately evil or occultic about it. Its a symbol that has been used to represent lots of things throughout human history. The "evil" connotation comes from 1990s era hysteria about wiccans using the symbol. Even if the OES logo was a pentagram, which it is not, there would be nothing innately evil or occult about it.

My dear friend, yes it is affiliated with the Eastern Star, and there are masons and lodges whom consider this as the Evil or Dark side of masonry. Whether they are correct or not is of course another discussion, but there is no doubt it is a reversed pentagram and not just a "star" though you may freely believe that - but as a Mason you should know the importance of occult symbolism.

Now I KNOW you are making this up as you go along. Would you please name the lodge that considers the Eastern Star as "the evil side of Masonry"? I'd be fascinated to know, since the Order of the Eastern Star is not freemasonry and has never been freemasonry. Its a club designed for master masons and their female family members which teaches biblical principles straight out of the Old and New Testament. Every state in the United States has a chapter, and while its a primarily US phenomenon and is not embraced by the United Grand Lodge of England the UGLE still recognizes as regular and valid all the United States Grand Lodges which have Eastern Star chapters.

Anyone who considers the OES "evil" or the "dark side" of freemasonry was clearly never even a mason to begin with, since the organization has masonic tenets but makes it very clear being a member does not make one a freemason.

Regarding your autonomous orders and election terms, all I can say is that perhaps there is some corruption involved with those said elections and so called autonomous orders.

I am sorry my friend, but you keep trying to act like you have knowledge about things that, if you had done research, you clearly wouldn't even bother to claim are part of the "evil masons" you want to believe exist. You see, the balloting process for masons is EXTRAORDINARILY free from corruption due to the methods used to ballot.

Furthermore, it is still not clear at all why cheating to get to be a grand lodge officer helps one accomplish evil or dubious deeds. You probably need to explain that before you even try to accuse the elections of being corrupted. Its sort of like being elected to be president of your Rotary club, with more pomp and circumstance. How is being a grand loge officer help anyone get away with doing something evil, especially since the grand lodge officers can be recalled or punished by the next grand master?

Do you even understand the deeper effects of the rituals performed, or why there are rituals in the first place?

I find it terribly fascinating that as a non-mason you believe you have figured out some sinister purpose behind the rituals. Of course, it could never be that I as a mason understand them and know that their deeper effects are not what you believe them to be.

Apply that to the so called dark arts, and the purpose would be that of using ritualistic work to gain more power and control over others - something which they do with rather good success.

Would you care to give one example of a mason using the "dark arts" (whatever that is, but of course I know you won't explain it) to gain power and control over others? You keep making these vague references but you have no actual evidence, so examples would be helpful. Of course I know you are just making this all up so you won't have any.

Of course, as any mason or any person who bothered to do the research on this knows, the rituals enforce a sense of equality - quite counterproductive to "control."

If you have understood this, or believe in it at all, is rather irrelevant, as it is still practiced and effective regardless of what you may think about it.

No, no it is not. And no matter how badly you want to project that these things happen, you sheer desire for them to be true will not change the fact that they are not true.

Think for yourself and do not blindly believe all you are told within the Order and how its structure is - look a bit further on your own. Even speaking with some ex-masons could be useful for some new perspectives.

Ah, but you see I did do the research I found that - surprise - things are as they appear. I speak to exmasons all the time, and I have never met one with these kinds of accusations. I have met ALOT of people who CLAIM to be ex-masons and are lying - which is probably the source you are getting this from.

That will be my last comment on the masonic order for now as there are more interesting and useful things to address, so if I ignore further communication from you it is not to be rude or arrogant but simply because I have better things to do with more important issues and I will have to spend my time on what I find suiting my purpose of being here.

Of course you will. You thought you could talk about freemasons in your videos and act like you knew what was "really" going on with them so that it gave you an aura of authority and mystique. When called out about it, you are completely inable to answer even the most basic questions about your accusations, provide any evidence, or even 1 example. Wisely, you know that to continue this would be to continue to expose what you are doing.

Of course you could answer my questions about things not having to do with masonry - like explaining why your claim to "truth" is so different from the hundreds of other ATS posters who claim to be mystical beings who have come to share with us their special knowledge.

[edit on 19-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]