reply to post by IX-777
Sigh. You are arguing with a straw man. No one thinks all masons are perfect, especially not the masons themselves. There are millions upon millions
of masons. With that many people, there is absolutely no way everyone can be a shining star of masonic virtue. The key difference is that I know not
all masons are good simply because masons are people and the organization reflects the general population, while you believe there is some sort of
intentional, nefarious plot going on with so called "high level masons" when such "high levels" do not in fact exist. This is a key difference.
From what you have said so far, I have no doubt I've researched this far more than you have. And most of my research is from anti-mason sources.
There is no reason for me to believe that as a member of the group for quite a few years and as someone who makes a hobby out of researching
anti-masonry, that I somehow would never find even 1 inkling of evidence for any of your theories IF they were true. There are lots of REAL problems
in masonry, "dark arts," and corruption from "high level masons" are not part of the real problems.
We can indeed argue all day, but there is a difference. I am a member of the organization, you are not. You can't possibly know if what you are
saying is true, even if you believe it to be, while I can because I deal with it multiple times a month. Further, you have offered no evidence for
A reversed pentagram is not a pentagram, for the last time. Its a five point star. The Order of the Eastern STAR is called that because ITS A FIVE
POINT STAR. A pentagram in and of itself has no relationship to evil, since when did popular misconceptions become truth?
If symbols are charged with energy and the Order of the Eastern Star members charge their symbol with good energy, what is the problem? How exactly
are OES members brainwashing people with their biblical lessons? And people think that a group of master masons and female relatives teaching lessons
out of the old and new testament is evil? These people are obviously not masons, especially since the OES is not freemasonry but simply a order with
I don't believe you because you are, in terms of facts about masonry, simply wrong. There is no reason to believe you, and your desire to make it
true doesn't change that it is not.
The methods used are combinations of occult practices, suggestions and hypnotic techniques, persuasion and sublingual messages, nlp, and some times
even through means of technology and pharmaceuticals - the latter already being in place in society to make people more prone for suggestions and
apathy, which they make sure to take advantage of.
How very good it is then that none of these things occur within freemasonry.
Finding out if you are a victim of such first of all takes some studies of these topics so you'll be more aware of how it's done and works. Then
you'll see more clear - I encourage everyone to study such so they can see how much manipulation there is in our society on all levels, certainly not
only in various orders and religious institutions but everywhere.
to believe there is some sort of nefarious control behind their lives in an attempt to rationalize why they are not happy with
where they are in life. But looking for shadowy cabals around every corner will not make them real. You have again and again accused freemasonry of
this sort of "control" attempt and yet cannot explain it or provide any evidence for it, especially given the organizational structure which
suggests it just cannot happen.
What is clear to me is that you do not properly understand how the rituals functions, what their effects are, and how the occult powers among other
things affects and influences you and others through such actions, and even from not taking part of them personally as well as these energies are
around us all and affecting everyone to some degree.
Yet again, how fascinating that you are now an expert on the "real" meanings of masonic ritual even though you are not a mason, and a mason of many
years is absolutely clueless about the own rituals I bi-weekly analyze, teach from, or occasionally perform. Or could the truth be that I know what I
am talking about, but because I know that you are wrong that you think the only way you can dismiss me is to simply claim I can't know what I am
Please do some real research into masonic ritual before you accuse it of being capable of all sorts of things which it simply doesn't.
You may think your thoughts, opinions and ideas are yours - but quite often they are externally implanted and seem like your own, thus it have a great
power over people. Making people believe that what they think is their own original thoughts is a great way to control them.
And how do we not know everything you say is some mind implanted thoughts from some evil, nefarious, shadowy cabal?