Obama and Hitler; same speech coach?

Watch the videos of Hitler, one of the most compelling speakers of the 20th century. Notice the rhythm, the pace, the pauses, the hand gestures!

Now realize, there are cultural differences. Hitler’s speeches were choreographed 70 years ago in a different language. The Germans do prefer it a bit rougher. They like direct, perhaps even harsh terms, whereas Americans prefer the softer approach. Given the cultural differences, and the changes in modern speech, is it possible that President Elect Obama and the Führer had the same speech coach?

Do not judge until you have calmly and carefully watched the videos.

You here today…
Are only a part of what is spread all over Germany.
We want you, my German boys and girls…
To absorb all that we expect of Germany!
We want to be ONE people and you…
My youth, are to be that people.
In the future there must be NO RANKS OR CLASSES…
And you must not let them begin to grow in you…
We want to be one nation and you must educate yourselves…
We want this people to be obedient and you must practice this obedience…
We want this people to be PEACE-LOVING but also courageous!
www.evtv1.com...

We do not want to deceive the people….
Therefore I have refused to step in front just to make promises!
In ourselves alone lies the future of the German people…
If we guide the German people to their own diligence…
To their own decisions…
To their own steadfastness…
Then we will rise again…as did our fathers… who had to create Germany for themselves!
www.evtv1.com...

We don’t have their colonies…
We don’t have the opportunities of international world connections…
Possessed by these states or peoples…
Our Reich, which is so crammed…
And which has so few necessities for life…
Needs to be carefully and thoughtfully cultivated and managed…
We can’t do this without planning!
Dutchland! Seig Heil! Seig Heil!
www.jewtube.com...

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Sonya610]

Took someone this long to notice??? Not a follower of Obama during the campaign, but due to the fact I only have one station I can receive on my tube, thought I would watch his winners speech. I noticed right off the fervor with which he delivers his message, and the emotional responses of those, especially the women, were much like the reactions I saw during history classes when we studied Adolph's speeches during the rise of the Third Reich.

It was definitely a dejevu moment.

Not the same speech writers...but nothing says Obama could not have studied the psychology behind Hitler's presentations.


~Holly

So do you fault a charismatic speaker that can inspire audiences...

...or the people that can't independently think for themselvs and flock to be inspired???

Originally posted by Holly N.R.A.
Took someone this long to notice???

Yeah I didn't notice until the subject of a "youth brigade" came up in another thread. After viewing one of Hitler's speeches (which i originally looked up for content, I had no idea the odd pacing and hand gestures would match) it clicked!

One major difference I've noticed... Obama doesn't seem to foam at the mouth when he speaks. Hitler on the other hand... being front row during one of his speeches must have been akin to seeing Galagher perform... pass the plastic poncho please!

Actually, I fault no one personally, I am only an observer, stating what I saw. Everyone has the right to choose or not choose, that is free will...as for being a charismatic speaker...many have come, and many have gone...

~Holly

Originally posted by MOFreemason
So do you fault a charismatic speaker that can inspire audiences...
...or the people that can't independently think for themselvs and flock to be inspired???

So you suspect they may both have the same coach too? Very similar styles! Thank you for validating my suspicion. : )

Ridiculous. I despise Hitler and everything he stood for. However, I will admit that he was one of the best orators ever. Obama is a fabulous orator in his own right. Hitler and Obama were/are effective because of they manner in which they were/are able to get their message across.

Good orators are masters of the technique. Hitler and Obama (and many others) are certainly masters of it. You seem to be implying, therefore, that there is a connection between the two other than just their public speaking skills.

If that's not what you're implying, then you're just stating the obvious. Yes, their both great orators. What's your point?

Originally posted by Resinveins
Obama doesn't seem to foam at the mouth when he speaks. Hitler on the other hand... being front row during one of his speeches must have been akin to seeing Galagher perform...

Nice avatar Resinveins. I doubt if anyone was close enough to get spit on, Hitler ranted on a large stage. But you are right, if one were standing very close spittle might point out the difference between the two.

Oh, and just to add something else - Obama differs from Hitler's public speaking style in that whenever Hitler would take the stage, he would just stand quietly for 5-10 minutes...not saying anything. It increased the crowd's anticipation and made his message more effective.

Now had Obama done that before his victory speech, or any of his other speeches, I think you would have a stronger case for your comparison.

reply to post by Holly N.R.A.


I just had to ask that in my previous post, because I always wondered can such a man come to power (Hitler)?

I have always wondered was it the mindset of the then-desperate German or the persuasive oratorical skills of Hitler that led to the Third Reich?

Same question applied to today's Americans...are we just needing/wanting a leader to inspire or is Obama just that good at speaking?

Originally posted by DarthChrisious
If that's not what you're implying, then you're just stating the obvious. Yes, their both great orators. What's your point?

I am simply presenting the theory that they have the same speech coach. And your comment seem to agree that there are striking similarities.

Baahhh.

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by DarthChrisious
If that's not what you're implying, then you're just stating the obvious. Yes, their both great orators. What's your point?

I am simply presenting the theory that they have the same speech coach. And your comment seem to agree that there are striking similarities.

Baahhh.

Yes, similarities in their oratory skills. It's not uncommon for good orators to use the same skills - skills which have proven to be successful throughout history.

The similarities end there.

Originally posted by DarthChrisious
Now had Obama done that before his victory speech, or any of his other speeches, I think you would have a stronger case for your comparison.

Well....depends on the audience. Perhaps the Germans were a bit tougher when it came to anticipation.

And I do not think Obama can truly be compared to Hitler. Hitler was a sociopathic genius.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by Sonya610]

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by DarthChrisious
Now had Obama done that before his victory speech, or any of his other speeches, I think you would have a stronger case for your comparison.

Well....depends on the audience. Perhaps the Germans were a bit tougher when it came to anticipation.

No...because, unlike what some people say about how some Americans view Obama, the German people REALLY DID believe that Hitler was a Messiah and the deliverer of the German people. It had nothing to do with toughness. The longer Hitler stood quietly, the more enthralled the audience became.

In America, if somebody tried to do that, we'd start throwing tomatoes at them.

Having wrote a paper Hitlers speaches for psychology class I could off some inisght.

(I'm quoting here but not word for word)

Hitler would wait for the crowd to stop cheering and it was so silent that you could hear a pin drop. He would speak in a low tone so that you would have to listen intently as he spoke, to grab your attention even more. As he would talk and get to the real red meat of the speaches his voice would rise to up lift the crowd eventually getting himself into a frenzy and screaming.

So no there speach styles arn't exactly the same.

Hitler would blame the jews, a minority, and unite everyone else against them. While yes Obama did blame Bush A) that's something political oppenents do to sitting Presidents of the opposite party B) He's not attacking republicans in general and is talking about pushing bipartisanship. He talks about issues that matter to everybody like the Economy, energy etc etc. Not ones that are divisive like Abortion, Death Penalty, Gay Marriage. I don't see Obama blaming all the illegal immigrants for our failing economy. Or being derogatory to any groups of people for that matter.

As for this whole 'youth brigade' thing. What exactly do you think these 'youth brigades' will be doing? Patrolling the streets for drug dealers, prostitutes and thieves with hand guns? Seriously I want to know, everyone finds it akin to the brown shirts or hitler youth.

Having been interested in Nazi Germany since I played Wolfenstein, about 9 or 10, I've read a lot of history books pertaining to the war, the whole Nazi movement itself and what the Government actually did. I think it'd do some good for all these people who throw around accusations like this to actually study these subject, but not only this: free market economics(Shock Doctrine: Rise of Disaster Capitalism), socialism, the history of Communist Russia and also countries like sweden that have a lot of socialist tendencies.

You gotta know your enemy before you know yourself. Or you know not inform yourself and be ignorant.

[edit on 11-11-2008 by djpaec]

reply to post by MOFreemason


I think the answer is both really. People are so desperate to be saved from everything they are willing to jump at the one who looks the most like a shining knight riding up on their well dressed stallion.

People are begging to be saved they want someone who makes it sound as if it can be done with the snap of a finger. Sadly though many and I mean many in a big way will find themselves very disappointed.
I recall when I first heard the man speak. I admit he is charismatic and I found myself drawn to him because of that. Then I started thinking about that and that scared me more than many of the things he stands for. But because of a few of his stances on things I could not bring myself to back him.

But hey both claimed they would bring change right. I hope Obama’s is better than Hitler’s.
Raist

Originally posted by MOFreemason
reply to post by Holly N.R.A.

 

I just had to ask that in my previous post, because I always wondered can such a man come to power (Hitler)?

I have always wondered was it the mindset of the then-desperate German or the persuasive oratorical skills of Hitler that led to the Third Reich?

Same question applied to today's Americans...are we just needing/wanting a leader to inspire or is Obama just that good at speaking?

Only time will tell, my friend....keep your eyes and ears open and I think you will know the answer to your question...

reply to post by Holly N.R.A.


I have to admit, I find myself glued to the news each day just watching and waiting for the latest headlines.

Interesting times we are a part, eh?

There is definitively a system of verbal and body language cues that when studied can have an incredible impact on groups of people.

Obama having this sort of understanding is entirely possible, I have written multiple times about how he can address multiple cultures in a single audience and communicate with both int heir own subtle cues without either group picking up on it.

He is, a communicator of excellence

Who taught him and who would have such knowledge or is it simply an innate skill is my big question.

But yes, I noticed this long, long ago