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Why is the conservative right so angry?

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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:12 AM
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to call Obama a leftist socialist is a misnomer. he's slightly left of center. this nation has swung so far to the right, that the center looks like the left. now if you want a true leftist, read noam chomsky, you'll have to read him, because the MSM wouldn't dare give him any T.V. time, and why do you think that is so. they give the far right all kinds of airtime along with the centrists taking the opposite view, but won't give a true leftist one minute. by the way, i have seen and heard noam chomsky in person, and he's a sedate, analytical, and even-keeled speaker. he has never been violent or profane, nor advocated for the overthrow of the government. he also is well-dressed and well-groomed and after all that said, the main stream media on any channel will not give him one minute of air time. curious, don't you think?




posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:47 AM
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Since this question is in regards to conservatives it should be answered by conservatives not lefties who think they have it all figured out.

As a Reagan conservative I will be happy to tell you why we are angry:

1. We are tired of this country going further and further away from Christian family values.

2. We are tired of the ACLU defending every scumbag degenerate that thinks they have a "right" like the freaks that want it legal to make love to young boys as young as 8.

3. We are tired of the reverse racism that is allowed to take place and people that pretend it doesn't exist.

4. We are tired of every second having to fight against laws that try to take our guns.

5. We are tired of those activist judges that write laws from the bench instead of simply interpret the law.

6. We are tired of the left treating our military like crap but whining about feeling not safe from terrorism.

7. We are tired of the wild fires in California that occur because the same idiots that get burned out of house and home voted to outlaw controlled burning because it was "annoying".

8. Are tired of whacko environmentalist that bitch and complain about the price of gas but yet outlaw drilling in Anwar and off the California/Florida coasts.

9. We are tired of environmentalist whackos that, well, read this:

in response to state and federal environmental regulations since the 1970s. Many new blends of gasoline have been developed to comply with regional and state air quality regulations. As a result, there are about 17 different kinds of gasoline that are sold across the country. www.api.org...

and then they bitch and moan about the price of gas.

10. We are tired of the politicians allowing our borders to be overrun with illegals.

11. We are tired of welfare being abused by lazy so and so's that use food stamps but yet drive Cadillac Escalades.

12. We are tired of angry homosexuals that demand equal rights but parade themselves in front of our children half naked and do dispicable acts in public to prove how "equal" they are.

13. We are tired of lefty atheist constantly trying to take God out of our money and our pledge of allegiance.

14. We are tired of ignorants that compare the muslim "religion" to modern Christianaity.

15. We are tired of the abuse of our flag and idiots that think it is nothing more than a piece of cloth with dye on it.

16. We are tired of our border patrol agents being sent to jail for shooting a known, illegal alien, drug dealer in the butt when he was shooting at them first.

17. We are tired that the above illegal alien, drug dealer was awarded compensation by our court system that we have to pay from our taxes.

18. We are tired of idiots that cheat the voting system.

19. We are tired of lefties suing high schools because a prayer was said prior to the start of a football game.

20. We are tired of 90% of blacks voting for Obama simly because he is black (go ahead and deny it but it is true)

21. We are tired of being called racist when we speak the truth about what we see as being so obvious. You would be surprised how many of us are completely NOT racist.

Well there is twenty to get you started. Believe me there is PLENTY more.

I don't plan on debating these issues because we both know I won't change your mind and you won't change mind.
Okay?



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:56 AM
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With the exceptions of maybe two or three of those, I agree with that list completely.

In the end, I think that what we have in this country is an ideological divide that is so wide that the views of the two groups are completely incompatible. Whether liberals or conservatives, people are becoming angry when their side loses because their values and beliefs are in no way being represented by the opposing party. I think its only going to get worse as the two parties continue to diverge as time passes.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 08:56 AM
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Our leaders are disgusting and as gluttonous as we imagine. They are bought and paid for by corporations. That is a fact. We can see it in everything that is today's America.

MCain is a sell out of his own moral character in order to try and get elected. He is no longer a Maverick he is a bought and paid for. He has sold his soul in order to attract the votes of the far right, whom think they are Christian. Christ hated wealth and said so with nearly ever action and word he spoke. You are not christian if you stand by and watch people suffer for food and health care while you pad your bank accounts with illicit stock market funds that basically robed the working class of their wadges.

4 years f MCain = 4 years of griddlock in government at a time were America could fall if our government does not act and trust me...they will only act in their own interest just like those on wall street do.

Trickle down is failed. Because you can never trust people to not be greedy and gluttonous. Bill Gates and others like him are the example of disgusting greed. No man deserves or has worked hard enough to have so much more than everyone else. I am mainly talking about people going bankrupt for health care or losing homes because they make a few hundred to little to maintain thier homes.

No one can be trusted to have so much money and power. They simply want more.

I used to be republican because I believed in Ronald Regans trickle down but it has proven to lead to failure. On paper it could work but human beings are greedy and NEVER can be trusted to do the right thing.

Bill Gates did something awesome and he worked hard and sure he has earned the right to live a little better than others who also work hard but not 40 Billlion better. No one on earth could ever work hard enough to be so gluttonous as people like him.

Some of you will think this is nuts but the fact is there are more middle class than there are extremely wealthy people. Your worst nightmare would be for things to continue the way they are because the massive millions would eventually revolt and likely take back what has been stolen from their hard labours hours of work making products or services while the rich buy stock and watch your 401k's increase its value. Then my friends they sell and YOU are left with the losses while they walk away with your cash. The stock market is a lot like a casino.

Capitalism was ment to provide capital for companies to develop and grow in order to make more profits. What we ended up with was companies barowing tons of cash to develop and grow instead of properly using the money garnered by stock. When they screw up and lose money while owing banks guess what...we all pay. All the while the over inflated stocks plummet (because the wealth bail out first) leaving the poor with dead 401k's.

You have been had. Did Bush mean for this to happen ? Probably not. He probably thought the trickle down could work but he as well as myself and others forgot that people are innately greedy and wealth is the root of all evil. The more you get, the more you want. I was there I know. I retired at 40 because I had enough to live comfortably (not wealthy). I paid off my house and have enough income to live decently though I could make more if I wanted to stress myself more and likely shorten my life. You start to dismiss the poor and needy as not your problem. Well there just is not enough good paying jobs for everyone to have good health care and buy a home.

We as a nation need to reward work and not wealth. Companies with debt and lots of cash in stocks should be forced to pay the debt before rolling dividends. Shareholders should not make more money than workers. Bah, I will stop why I got so mad at my old party. It is not all their fault because the theory could work if humans had no control of it and were not allowed to become greedy and gluttonous.

Companies cannot sell things if the greater number of people cannot afford to buy things. There just are not enough extremely wealthy to buy enough products to keep companies in business.

Imagine if you took all the money except one billion from each billionaire in the world and let the massive middle class spend it. There would be higher demand for products and then companies could make money and hire workers.

Right now in Florida the worker making close to or more than minimum wadge cannot afford to pay rent. Most are having to share homes. How can you raise a healthy family in that atmosphere?

What has Bill Gates done to deserve multiple multi million dollar spacious homes while many AMERICANS have to share homes, go bankrupt for health care? No man on earth could ever do anything that makes them that much more valuable to the universe as this.

I am not saying really hard working people and great ideas and hard won research and development, inventions etc.. should not garner those people a greater reward but how much greater? The extremely excess money they have is not even being spent to buy things that would create jobs.

There is a point where you can have to much success. Until everyone has food, health care, a home, and a way to get to work everyday then no one deserves to own two homes or drive Ferrari's. If we ever get to the point where we all live decent then its ok for those who truly do amazing things to be rewarded so greatly.

We should not have no poor in America there is not justification for it. There should be no one who cannot get medicine and health care when they need it.

Bill Gates should have paid his Janitor more or hired more people.

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You give these kids a clean home, a college education, health care and dinner ever night and they wont be a drag on the economy and law enforcement like many of them become today. Pay their fathers enough for the hard work they do and their mothers can stay home and raise them right.

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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 09:25 AM
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Delete the lefty Bobama apologetics, and this thread is still only 4 posts long.


60% of Americans define themselves as either "very coservative" or "somewhat conservative." (Daily Kos article).

And yet this race is somehow "neck and neck."

O'bama buys a half-hour timeslot, with his billions in big corporate donations, while Pelosi and Reid talk about instituting the "fairness doctrine" once he gets in power.

He got corporate funding because he promised the big three automakers that he would take over their failing employee pensions at govt expense. So now they are bankrolling him. Most other 'trans-national' corporations support him, too.

Funny how, back before April, Obama prided himself on the fact that "the vast majority of his financial supporters gave less than $200." What happened to that? Well, it stopped being true once he signed up to support big companies.

We have fought a long hard war in Iraq, and he wants to throw it all away by unilaterally withdrawing troops---yet leaving enough peacekeepers to provide a juicy target for Iranian insurgents. He cannot wait to declare defeat.

He blames the financial fallout on republicans---who haven't controlled congress since 2006!

He has said that gas ought to cost Americans so much that they cut consumption because they cannot afford to consume.....

He used to complain about tax breaks for oil companies (whatever happened to that one?)....but now he wants billions in research grants for wind and solar, that will go to "energy research institutions," like BP and shell. So what's the difference? well, this way they get paid billions NOT to produce anything!

He wants hate crime legislation. So that the lives of SOME people are more valuable than others. (He should at least publish a chart, showing the penalties of respective crimes, based on the melatonin differential between perpetrator and victim).

He's anti-business, anti trade, anti-gun, anti-military; But pro-abortion, pro-union, pro-gay, pro-tax,

His anti-religion statements deserve their own paragraph. He argued that religious conviction in itself is not a valid basis for policy preferences in a pluralistic society---a religious person needs to "translate" their views into secular terminology if they want to be taken seriously "by the rest of us." Not that he is specifically anti-Christian, as some claim, but that he is anti-religion as a bona fide basis for holding convictions.

He is more interested in what its like to be marginalized, than in what it's like to be mainstream----someone who pays taxes will never be appointed by him to the supreme court.

Basically, I sum it up like this:

Conservatives are angry because he is promising scortched-earth policies of social engineering. If you disagree with him, you get nothing. you will have no room to disagree with his post-american world view. You don't even get a voice in the public square of debate.

He plans to marginalize his opponents. Something that conservatives have not done to liberals. Nor have liberals done to conservatives, for that matter.

Only radicals who want to end democracy act that way.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 09:37 AM
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We are not just angry... we are angry because the MSM and the Obamanauts continuously supress damaging evidense against Obama. The truth will never surface, but from what I see... this illusion of Obama-Nation is fading and people are starting to wake up.

McCain WILL win this election.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 09:49 AM
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I was going to reply to this thread and say pretty much what you had already said.

I seethed and cried and raged when Bush won his first election. Daily, and I do not exagerate, I saw acts of his administration that outraged me, particularly at first.

Until I grew numb.

Over the last eight years I have realized that we as a nation, are polarized in our beliefs. So much so that I worry we will never find the middle ground between us, that any such compromising will only leave both sides discontent as neither get what they want.

I also grew to understand that all things change. That we swing to the right, then swing back to the left.

I suspect what we're seeing right now is simply the backlash of such a hard swing towards the right. I predicted this years ago, and it was one of the few hopes I held onto.

Lately I've watched the outrage and anger on the other side and realized that I must have looked and sounded much like that to them, eight years ago.

So I get it. I understand. Vent as you will. Times have changed. And they will change again.

If there's anything to learn perhaps it's that we need to find a way to control the 'swing'. Maybe knowing that since we will never all agree, and this creates this 'right'/'left' swing, it gives us a sort of freedom to work together, knowing things will always change.





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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 10:00 AM
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its intersting you mention christianity as your first point yet your republican party dont practice what they preach. Unless of course you think crusades in foreign countries are a christian value? what do you think jesus would say about that?

you show your bigotry on gay people citing a minority who commit offences and tar them all with the same brush. is that what christianity teaches you?

i wouldnt call you a christian by any stretch of the imagination, perhaps a little more introspection is required by people like yourself.

Isn't it about time america moved towards the humanism ideology like europe has been doing for decades?



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by yeti101
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Isn't it about time america moved towards the humanism ideology like europe has been doing for decades?

22. Idiot lefties wanting us to become more like the Eeewwropeeeans that they idolize.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 10:07 AM
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Why are "conservative Christians" so angry...

Well, I'm a Christian. I am also a conservative, so let me tell you...

The most obvious is because of the biggots, race baiters, and community organisers to the left. And then there is just something about being ok with a baby being born and then watching it die so that we don't "put such a burden on the mother " The there is the part when you say that our mililtary is killing women and children and bombing villages, and that the war is lost. Or maybe there's the part where the dead, and the felons, and cartoon characters are lined up to cast votes for Obama. Or could it be the words of Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers, or maybe Murtha and Palosi and Reed? Perhaps. But I think when it touches the heart and soul of the nation, the despising of the Constitution because it prevents the government from going far enough on the people. And lastly but certainly not to leave out the press for it's moral failure, but the "socialist agenda" of taking my money from me to give to you who don't deserve to have a penny of it. That (my firend) angers me, and rightly so.


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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 10:13 AM
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I wish I could say that I am optimistic about the future of this nation as it currently exists, but I am not. The level of polarization is reaching the breaking point, I think.

There is a solution to this problem, but unfortunately, the Federal government will never allow it to happen because they are too interested in maintaining centralized power. That solution is to give the states more authority to dictate their own internal policies than they currently have. What works in California, New York or Massachussetts does not work in Alabama, Texas or Wyoming. In other words, the Feds should actually follow the Constitution. The sooner our politicians realize this, the better off we'll all be. Of course, they never will.



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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:13 AM
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I'm more optimistic than ever at this point.


I think the right is angry because that's what their leaders use to attempt to win elections. The Republican right is very anti-intellectual and thus the only thing left to use is the base emotions like fear and anger.

Most of these people would actually be angry if they didn't have GOP leaders inciting the anger. Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of repubs which are angry... but about what? They were in power the last 8 years so it doesn't make much sense.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:56 AM
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I think it makes plenty of sense. Republican voters are angry at their own leadership because they believe they have sold out and abandoned the party platform. One of the biggest issues has been government spending. When the Republicans came to power in Congress in '94, they promised to govern as fiscal conservatives. That obviously has not happened, with the size of government ballooning during that period of time. Conservatives are very, very angry with the GOP about that. They also believe that the Bush administration has sold them out on social issues such as stem cell research. They don't want it, period.

In short, Republican voters want the party to move further right, not to the center. This is why many of them were very lukewarm towards McCain and only jumped aboard when Palin was named VP. Likewise, they despise the Democratic party because they represent nothing that traditional conservatives believe in, particularly on social issues.

The divide will continue to grow. The Republican party will recover from the wounds of the last two election cycles by moving further to the right, giving voters a more clear alternative to the Democratic party. The Dems, meanwhile, emboldened by full control of government, will lurch considerably to the left.


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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by pexx421
yeah but i think your missing the point. If you look at the campaigns and the televised rallies, you can obviously see much more anger and fear in the mccain/palin rallies. The obama ones seem to be more hopeful and cheerful, and i have yet to hear anyone at obama rallies yelling "kill MCCAIN" or "Mccain's a Fascist" ....or indeed any negative personal attacks on him. While we constantly see those on the republicans side.

Keeping in mind that i like neither mccain or obama, these are just MY observations.


1) You see what the media decides to show, not everything that is going on.

2) Just read any political board and you will see the anger that is on both extremes. Heck, one of the first responses in this thread is excellent proof o the anger the far lef has as well.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by deathhasnosound
I will be happy to tell you why we are angry:

1. We are tired of this country going further and further away from Christian family values.

2. We are tired of the ACLU defending every scumbag degenerate that thinks they have a "right" like the freaks that want it legal to make love to young boys as young as 8.

5. We are tired of those activist judges that write laws from the bench instead of simply interpret the law.

8. Are tired of whacko environmentalist that bitch and complain about the price of gas but yet outlaw drilling in Anwar and off the California/Florida coasts.

11. We are tired of welfare being abused by lazy so and so's that use food stamps but yet drive Cadillac Escalades.

12. We are tired of angry homosexuals that demand equal rights but parade themselves in front of our children half naked and do dispicable acts in public to prove how "equal" they are.

13. We are tired of lefty atheist constantly trying to take God out of our money and our pledge of allegiance.

14. We are tired of ignorants that compare the muslim "religion" to modern Christianaity.

15. We are tired of the abuse of our flag and idiots that think it is nothing more than a piece of cloth with dye on it.

17. We are tired that the above illegal alien, drug dealer was awarded compensation by our court system that we have to pay from our taxes.

18. We are tired of idiots that cheat the voting system.

19. We are tired of lefties suing high schools because a prayer was said prior to the start of a football game.

20. We are tired of 90% of blacks voting for Obama simly because he is black (go ahead and deny it but it is true)

21. We are tired of being called racist when we speak the truth about what we see as being so obvious. You would be surprised how many of us are completely NOT racist




I would use the same reasons I quoted above, as to why I am so very, very delighted that the extremists are getting their panties all up in a bunch. I believe that the anger is really just an outlet for the subtle racism that envelops a good portion of the "religious right." I think its important to draw a line to separate religious right extremists, and conservatives. To all of you that would blur that line, you are just as guilty of playing bad politics.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:09 PM
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The Factual Truth be told, would make more people than myself angry..
www.citizenslim.com...
Do your homework, see if this video is factual or not.
You decide.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:21 PM
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Oddly enough, I've pondered the same thing. We know we cannot please everyone. Not with such large numbers of people. So, what's the answer?

Would people be happier if we followed some sort of Federalist notion, and structured the power from the bottom up? Allowed each town and community the right to decide unto their own and allow like minds to gather?

Or would the rights of the minority get trampled and left out?

I'm afraid prediction is beyond my talents, so I can't say. But it's an interesting thought. And the idea of such certainly addresses some of the issues.

And I know people might be more likely to want to contribute to the community if it were something less big and faceless. If you knew that your taxes were directed to aid people whom you knew and interacted with, would you be more likely to want to pay for school, food, roads and healthcare for them? Rather than see your money go off into some dark recess where you had no idea how and to whom it might end up?



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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Because they believe they are better than everybody else from a moral standpoint. This may be true according to the good book, but is it not a sin to sit back in judgement and secretly wish all the "sinners" would drop dead?

I used to be like that until I matured, and now I know I'm no better than anyone else in the eyes of God. Still there are times that I wish I could play God and "dissappear" all the very evil people on this earth.

Trouble is if God granted me that priviledge, and I snapped my fingers to make it so, I would disappear right alongside everyone else.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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I have believed for a long time that most Americans, though their loyalty lies with either democrats or republicans, are actually libertarians. I am unable to accept the idea that my countrymen want to be obedient subjects of a gang of corrupt, unprincipled thugs who pontificate about freedom while enslaving the population.

So called democrats: Face it. Your congressman or senator tells you, "Vote for me. I'll use my office to take another American's money and give it to you. And you buy that? There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as "caring" and "sensitive" because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to try to do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do good with his own money – if a gun is held to his head.

So called republicans: Are you serious? What the hell happened to limited government, and minding our own business overseas? Your party went out looking for trouble, found it everywhere, diagnosed it incorrectly and applied the wrong remedies. If you approve of what your party has done the last 8 years and still call yourself a conservative, you are being played for a sucker. Ronald Reagan said that government is not the solution, but rather the cause of our problems. What happened to that?

What has been built up to this point is a structure that dwarfs George III's regime, does it not? All the fiery rhetoric of the Founders was directed at a "tyrant" who taxed his subjects at a rate of about three percent. Today, we in "the land of the free" are taxed at about 50 percent when you add federal, state, and local taxes. What kind of government would do this? A dictatorship would. One thing is for certain; the American people are becoming more and more afraid of, and are running away from, their own revolution.

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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 01:14 PM
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i would like to thank you for answering with reasons. not just a few words. And I agree with some of what you are saying. I think anyone who doesnt just blindly follow suit would see validity to some of your points.
And like you said there is no reason to debate your answers like you said we wont change eachothers minds.. i just want to ask how you feel about the seperation of church and state? is that a good or bad thing?
and do you think that homosexuality and islam are things that should be tolerated in society? And what do you think we should do about it? one way or the other....



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