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Why is the conservative right so angry?

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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 01:36 PM

Originally posted by mrbule
reply to post by deathhasnosound

I usually hate to chop up posts but in this case it will be easier to answer your questions. (good questions btw)

i just want to ask how you feel about the seperation of church and state? is that a good or bad thing?

There is extremes to both sides of this issue for example, if a teacher wants to have morning prayer with her class of kindergarteners because she feels it calms them and makes the day go better, she can ask the parents if this is ok with them and those parents that don't find it ok (instead of suing the school district) can request that their children stand outside and "guard" the door until prayer is over. Everyone is happy.
Another example, if a parent doesn't want their child to recite the pledge of allegiance because it has the word "God" in it, the child can still stand up to show respect for the flag but they should not be forced to put their hand over their chest and recite the pledge. Again, everyone is happy and no one gets sued.

and do you think that homosexuality and islam are things that should be tolerated in society? And what do you think we should do about it? one way or the other....
Let me answer these seperately since they are different issues.
Islam, being a religion of course should be tolerated but hate speach that incites anger and calls for violence against non believers SHOULD not be tolerated and the Imams that do this should be immediately arrested, deported, or expatriated. (other countries are now doing this)

Homosexuals being part of our society should be tolerated but there should be some decency laws that should be enforced. I don't believe they should be harrassed or discrimintaed against and I actually believe that they should be allowed to marry (crazy hu?) and I don't feel that by giving them the right to marry will affect my standard of living and if it will help them out so be it.

Thanks for your sincere questions, I hope I covered them sufficiently.

[edit on 30-10-2008 by deathhasnosound]

posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 01:59 PM

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
for example, if a teacher wants to have morning prayer with her class of kindergarteners because she feels it calms them and makes the day go better, she can ask the parents if this is ok with them and those parents that don't find it ok (instead of suing the school district) can request that their children stand outside and "guard" the door until prayer is over. Everyone is happy.

no, everyone is not happy. Let's phrase it a different way, to see how you would feel: The teacher actually finds that doing a pagan ritual calms the class down. She invokes the spirit of Lilith into her body, then chants a few phrases while burning hyssop and cloves to candlelight. All those who are uncomfortable, can go sit outside (regardless of rain/snow/etc.)

See where that gets out of control? you know whats even easier? Telling teachers and students to leave their imaginary friends outside of the classroom.

Having kids singled out, and asked to leave is most certainly not going to make everyone happy. I am bewildered at what type of logic you might have used to come to such a preposterous conclusion.

posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 02:22 PM
Conservatives are angry because they are sick and tired of the main stream media ignoring all the lies Obama tells. Journalism is dead in our country. There is only a political agenda.

List of some Obama lies ignored by the MSM:

The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4 2008, that proved Obama had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what was previously admitted.

The Chicago Sun reported on May 8, 2008, that FBI records showed that Obama had a significantly closer relationship with Tony Rezko than he previously admitted. In the interview, Obama said that he only saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year. The FBI files showed that Obama saw him weekly.

Obama said that he never heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white America while he attended Trinity Church for 20 years. Nobody calls him out on this? How could you attend a chuch for 20 years and not listen to the message?

The 1st debate with John McCain, Obama stated that he never said that he would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea without "preparations" at lower levels. Joe Biden repeated his words in his debate with Sarah Palin. The video tape from the debate last February clearly shows that Obama answered "I would" to the question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without "any" preconditions.

On July 14, 2008, Obama said that he always knew that the surge would work while the video tapes of Obama from more than a year ago show that he stated that the surge would not work.

There are more but I have made my point. The media gives him a pass on all of this. He is the messiah !

posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 03:05 PM
I will answer this question as a Christian conservative. BTW I am not angry but I am concerned for the future of our country.

1. Conservatives are angry because the Republican party has abandoned us, and our candidate does not represent what we believe. Yet a strong third party Conservative might cause the Democrats to win, therefore we are stuck with the Republican Party, and we are not happy about it. The two party system is broken.

2. Conservatives are frustrated because we comprise approximately 50% of the population, and yet we are marginalized as if we were a tiny minority by the press, which is engineering its own liberal society by portraying a seriously flawed picture of what a conservative is to the masses.

3. Many religious conservatives genuinely believe that adopting policies friendly to abortion and homosexuality will cause God to withdraw His blessing from America. They are naturally terrified of this. (I personally believe that this has already occurred and it is the fault of the church, not gays or abortionists, that God has withdrawn His blessing).

Please don't flame me. I am not rabid about my beliefs, but I am thoroughly familiar with conservative thinking, since I am immersed in it every day. Which gives me the ability to see inside of the conservative mind and talk about what conservatives think.

Also let it be known that *most* conservatives are not racists. Conservatives are far more inclined to be sexist than racist. Again, as a personal example, I am a white Christian conservative female. In the the last several Primaries I have voted for Alan Keyes, a black, Christian conservative. I voted for him in two presidential elections when he was running as an American Independent, even though he had NO hope of winning. I did that because he represents what I believe and he is an irreproachable Christian statesman. Alan Keyes is what all politicians SHOULD be. But that's why he will never win.

Anyway, there are my two cents worth.

Here is why I will be voting for McCain - and how sad it is, exemplified by the following quote.

Douglas Adams, in his Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, delivered what is perhaps the most insightful analysis of American democracy ever:

“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see …”

“You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?”

“No,” said Ford, “nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”

“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”

“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”

“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t people get rid of the lizards?”

“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates the government they want.”

“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”

“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”

“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”

“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard might get in."

[edit on 30-10-2008 by OuttaHere]

posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 03:26 PM
reply to post by OuttaHere

Thank you for your insight.
Just a couple of quick questions to you and what you see going on...
Do you think the majority of the conservative right believe that America is a "chosen" place by god? or just a good natured country that we should keep "clean" to keep the blessings of god?
if there was ever a politically conservative white buddhist female running for president would it get the same response of anger as a liberal black male? Would people be on the streets yelling about how society is becoming "godless"? with (I understand radicals) making assination threats with religiously demoralizing chants and yells about her beliefs?
Or is this response of, it seems hatred, towards Obama just because of who he is?
and again thank you for your insight.

posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 03:43 PM
I am a conservative

1)Supported Bush 2000
2)Fiercely opposed to ALL abortion
3)Very Against Gay Marriage/Unions
4)Very Religious

Yet I oppose McCain/Palin and hope that Obama wins, even though I know he will appoint judges that make choices I don't agree with, so why do I support Obama as a conservative.

Simple, it is more important that America has a smart leader, than get all the big issues right. I uses to think the other way, until I saw how deadly Bush was to America & the world.

What I learned in the last eight years. Answer this question.
Do you endorse the fool that agrees with you, or endorse the smart leader that disagrees with you?

Actually a true conservative that is religious actually knows that no one man can solve the worlds problems and that we are waiting for God to step in and end the mess we see today. UNTIL then we hope to have people with some level of intelligence running things. Not complete idiots like Bush or war mongering temper challenged guys like McCain. Or a person who thinks it is a "task from God" to be in Iraq.

So this hard core conservative endorses Obama for a better America and world, and I know come election day their will be others just like me.

posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 04:08 PM
'Conservatives' are angry because they are losing (many). Some have a sense of entitlement and believe they deserve to rule the US. Others can't accept that some 'other' person who is 'not like them' is potentially going to win the election.

Very scary.

On a day when we see that a large proportion of Texans still label Obama as a muslim, perhaps a little edumacation might be required.

Anyway, the republican party is a tentative 'big tent' of various strands of centre-right moderates, right-wingers, religious dudes, libertarians, and mixes of these.

The dems are pretty much a centre-right party anyway c.f. europe.

If the republicans lose, hopefully the GOP will splinter. The religious group (i.e., the christian RWAs) essentially wants a christofascist party (Jesus Party, perhaps). The fiscals can have a proper european-style conservative party (i.e., more centrist - New Republicans), the libertarians could all jump on the Ron Paul train, and neo-cons can go extinct.

Great to see people still pushing the republicans to move to the right, heh. That's the answer!

Palin/Token Jindal 2012!


[edit on 30-10-2008 by melatonin]

posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 07:33 PM
reply to post by mrbule

Do you think the majority of the conservative right believe that America is a "chosen" place by god? or just a good natured country that we should keep "clean" to keep the blessings of god?

I think most conservatives believe that God blessed this nation from the beginning because it was a great experiment in Christian government. The starting assumption of our government was that the people would seek the will of God and govern themselves. Conservatives believe God did not so much bless a "place" as he blessed the founding fathers' endeavor to form a Christian nation, as long as that nation legitimately sought to serve Him and to better the lives of the people. It seems that both the people and the government have now abandoned that endeavor. Conservatives don't want to admit that; they hope it can still be reversed.

If there was ever a politically conservative white buddhist female running for president would it get the same response of anger as a liberal black male?

I think such a candidate would split the conservatives in half. Christians would have a problem supporting a Buddhist for office, again, because they believe that God's blessing depends on this being a Christian nation. They want the nation to become more like it was at the beginning, rather than lose its Christian identity completely. I know there are probably Buddhist conservatives out there in the world, especially the older generation, but the modern American flavor of Buddhism scares the cr*p out of Christians because it smacks on the New Age. And the New Age movement, while claiming to be open-minded, is thoroughly intolerant of traditional Christian beliefs. It would be difficult for this type of modern Buddhist to be a conservative - but maybe not impossible. The issue of the candidate being a woman would also count against her but most conservative males would never ADMIT they had a problem with her gender. But no, there would not be much anger. The anger is primarily about liberal ideology.

Would people be on the streets yelling about how society is becoming "godless"? with (I understand radicals) making assassination threats with religiously demoralizing chants and yells about her beliefs?

Some people might denounce her religion. (Though Buddhism is not really a religion, is it?) Some people just don't understand that the best way to convert someone is through love, not hate. I think that most conseratives are far more afraid of a perceived Muslim candidate, or one seemingly 'connected' to Islam, than they would be of a Buddhist.

... is this response of, it seems hatred, towards Obama just because of who he is?

I really can't say. All of my friends are conservatives, I go to a conservative church, and nobody I know hates Obama. But most people in my social circle are convinced that now, as we hover on the brink of total chaos and religious extremists are threatening to blow up the world, is not a good time to allow liberal ideology to take over the white house. Especially not in the form of one so young and inexperienced.

Perhaps the hatred you speak of is coming from conservative racists. Or from ignorant people who mistakenly believe Obama is a Muslim.

... and again thank you for your insight.

You're welcome.

posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 10:47 PM

Originally posted by hypervigilant
I think that the Republican agenda has been to duplicate the Nazi Party, through the use of repetitious scare tactics, emotional non issues, chanting on cue, nationalism, and simple easily remembered slogans. .... The way that they are responding, is very much like the German people did when the same rhetorical procedures were implemented by Hitler and his advisers.... The ultimate goal is to eliminate the Democratic Party and establish a Fourth Reich..... God was on the Nazi's side also, you know.

First off, you should find your own words extremely ironic given that NAZIS were Socialists, not Capitalists (such as the American Conservatives).

Second, at whose rally have we been witnessing a NAZI Unity salute? Most of these individuals obviously have no idea what it is that they are signifying, however, it does NOT change the fact of the reality behind this symbolism.

Third, who is it that was chanting the Name of a Mortal man? The last time time I checked, Senator Obama's supporters were chanting his name and falling head over heels for him. Senator Obama is the one with supporters going out and starting fights, ripping up signs, spray-painting houses, smashing windows, throwing fire-bombs into campaign offices, and much more. I have yet to witness a single GOP member return the favor.

Fourth, whom is it that is promoting a Civilian National Security Force with the mandate of competing with the Military? When was this last done? The "Brown Shirts" of the NAZI Party in the 1930's, that is when.

Fifth, whom is it that is promoting an entire campaign through "Hope" for "Change"? Senator Obama is using the same philosophical arguments which Der Fuhrer himself spouted.

Sixth, whom is it that wishes to squash our 2nd Amendment Rights, and in the process disarm the Populace? Senator Obama is following the path which Der Fuhrer used before he managed the complete and utter takeover of Deutschland.

Seventh, whom is it that wishes to squash our 1st Amendment Rights through "Fairness Doctrines" and thus expand Governmental Media Control? Senator Obama. This yet again follows right along the lines of Das Dritte Reich, und Der Fuhrer.

So you tell me, who are the "NAZIS", and who are those simply wishing to preserve Capitalism and Democracy?

posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:59 PM

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary

Whoa, you have this really mixed up. The "Left" would be democracy, socialism, perhaps communism, and lack of control or anarchy. Where as the "Right" would definitely be fascism and more control. I know there are exceptions to this, but for the most part the extreme elements of each party are laid out as I outlined.

I think you just want to believe that anarchy is a left wing thing and fascism is a right wing thing. Fascism is a powerful state. A powerful state comes from big government. Big government grows out of the demand of the dependent or the rule of a totalitarian. Generally there is some wealth redistribution.

I am sorry man, Right-Wing and Fascism go hand in hand. "Big government" as the Republicans like to call it, has nothing to do with Fascism. When people who know what they are talking about refer to the Nazis, it is a reference to an extreme Right-Wing position. I know you would like to believe otherwise because, who in their right mind wants to be associated with the Nazis, but you are wrong...sorry. Big government would most likely be associated with socialism. You know, things like govt. health care and education, welfare, things like that. I seriously doubt anyone would accuse the Nazis of wanting welfare or govt. health care. Nice try though.

posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:19 AM
There are a couple of dynamics going on here. The conservatives here are going to blow a gasket.

First, there is a serious problem in the far right separating the idea of religious belief and politics.

To break it down to the fundamentals (pun intended), you have people who believe that they are "saved" and this is based on their faith, beliefs, what have you. Those who do not believe as they do are not saved, and are therefore wrong in their beliefs.

A God-fearing, lying, cheating Christian who goes to church every Sunday, who is remorseful and contrite is more good and worthy than a saintly Buddhist who is honest and good to others. 99.9% of all fundy Christians cannot tell you much about any other religion with any accuracy. This comes to my second point further below.

Realize that everything is black and white, good and evil, left and right. They do not need to know what anyone else believes because only their religion is right, so why waste your time?

Pastors and ministers across America feed this belief that Christians are "special" because they are "saved." They feed the self-righteousness. They don't need to do anything else, because all you have to do is believe. While doing good works is seen as supporting your image as a good Christian, it is not necessary for your salvation. Nothing else is needed, which also plays into my second point.

And all the good works in the world without the same belief won't get you into heaven.

Pretty powerful when you start to buy your own b.s. It isn't a big leap to start thinking that all your beliefs are therefore right and anyone who disagrees is wrong. Their religion, faith and beliefs are not "opinions" and subject to being wrong.

Their beliefs on abortion are not their opinions, it is what is right and good and ordained by God and anyone who does not believe as they do are under the power of the Devil. Yeah, I've heard conservatives say that Europe is a "dark nation" under the power of Lucifer because of their liberal politics. They really believe that there is some evil being influencing people living in Europe.

So now we have religion tied up with politics. The same fervor applied to the earth being 6,000 years old and dinosaurs are a myth goes into things such as abortion, gay rights and even American history. Intellectualism is evil; outdated and antiquated thinking is sacred.

Ask most conservatives what the founding fathers believed and the vast majority will tell you they were some form of die-hard Christian. Most have no clue what a Deist believes or the driving forces behind the founding of this nation.

You see, they don't need to know. Because what they believe it to be (remember above, your belief is what makes you one of God's chosen) is what is true and fact. Accuracy is not an issue. Doing good is not necessary. What you believe is what sets you apart and it doesn't matter if it is correct.

They would have no problem with public schools teaching from the Bible and would honestly argue that this is what Thomas Jefferson intended for our nation. And even after you show them how utterly ignorant they are about the founding of this nation, they will turn around the next day and use the exact same arguments.

This brings me to my second point.

Because they do not have to do anything but believe, and they receive a special get out of purgatory card, there is no incentive to actually learn, grow or progress.

Most conservatives are woefully uneducated in matters of politics, history, geology and religion. Like that woman calling Obama an "A-rab" because she thinks Arab and Muslim mean the same thing.

Very few conservatives actually understand that taxes are going to increase regardless of who is in office, they think if McCain gets in, they won't have to finance the bailout or the stupid war in Iraq. That's because they are ignorant.

I have a third point, but I have run out of space.

posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:29 AM
reply to post by TheAgentNineteen

Even if Obama were some sort of radical, socialist, white-hating anti-christ (as I've read several times this week), do you really think he'd be able to get away with anything really radical? Really? When he's winning by appealing to all the white suburbanites? Heck no! No president really has that much power. He's already said he would put Republicans on his cabinet if elected. The press - you say it's biased, but remember how much it lined up behind Bush after 9/11 in going into war with Afghanistan and even with Iraq. If you don't like Obama's policies, fine. But by acting like he's going to destroy the country - you're scaring the rest of us.

AgentNineteen: You are incorrect sir; the Nazis were not socialists. Despite the word being used in the name of the party, Hitler hated and feared socialism and communism. Rather, he used parts of many political ideologies along with his hateful racial biases to create his own blend of government control, ie. fascism.

Second, as a daily reader of the news from all political persuasions I find it interesting that you mention violence from Obama fans and say you have not seen any from the Republican camp, since to my knowledge the exact opposite is true. I have seen nothing but excitement and hope from Obama fans, but I have heard McCain fans yelling "kill him" and "terrorist" at rallies. I have seen user-created youtube videos portraying Obama as the anti-Christ and using special effects to turn his image into a demon. I have read multiple articles about how likenesses of Obama are being hung from trees. I have read countless blog posts where people link Obama's name to Osama and comment on his Muslim-leanings based on his middle name. Just the other day, two men were arrested for planning to shoot several black students and then try to kill Obama. What acts of aggression have you seen from the other side? Most liberals don't really care about McCain - they actually liked the guy back in 2000 and many would have voted for him if he had been the candidate rather than Bush. Many liberals do get angry and annoyed at Sarah Palin, because they see her candidacy as a purely cynical choice made by pundits to win votes, not somebody who could actually handle the complex and challenging task of representing the people and leading the nation. But in keeping with the idea of a rational debate of ideas on which democracy rests, liberals have Tina Fey to poke fun at Mrs. Palin, rather than violence.

Third, I find it interesting how concerned anti-Obama people are about his connections to "shady" characters in his past, and how sure they are that the media is so biased in not reporting on it. But: how would you all have known about his connections if the media were not reporting on it? William Ayers and Reverend Wright have become household names because the media HAS been covering this, as have the blogs.

And more importantly: Whenever a candidate runs for high office, their pasts are scoured for anything that could look bad and cause fear and doubt among voters. Bush had countless shady connections. Show me a person, any of us, who has NEVER associated with anyone whose views are controversial. We all say controversial things, all the time. Imagine if someone recorded the words of your old friend from school, or that guy you were kind of friends with at work? And then aired those views for the entire country to judge, and blamed you for it?

We have limited knowledge about the candidates, so of course we judge on who they associate with, in addition to other things. But we have to be responsible consumers of information and realize when we're being spoon-fed fear by the political message-makers. They don't have to prove anything--they just have to raise the level of doubt and fear, and they do their jobs very, very well.

posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:30 AM
reply to post by TheAgentNineteen

I am not a republican there is not a party that describes what I am, but your post is exactly why I am angry. The failure of our public education system oozes. It seems that people just parrot the right or the lefts talking points and doesn't research things for themselves. It is like the world didn't exist before Bush got into office.

It feels that America has been high-jacked by the extremes of fascism and communism. It sickens me that people are like, "Europe, does it and makes it work, why can't we be like Europe." It sickens me because they do not know America's history. Or the principles that America was founded upon.

It angers me that people are so elitist that they will not do something they don't want to do for one minute out of their day to salute the flag when many great men have sacrificed everything they had to give us and defend this great country.

It angers me that these men gave their lives to be able to give them the choice to be able to this and not have to worry about getting drug out of class or a baseball game and get sent to a camp or killed for not doing it.

It angers me because they all want to change this nation to what these people fought and died to get away from.

I'm angry because the same failed polices that have got us into this predicament of being uneducated and taken what is said at face value as the truth. And they are mesmerized and are going to vote for a guy that we know nothing about and it seems like every major event in his life is hidden and being suppressed so we don't know about it. But they fawn and faint over a man that is using the same tactics that they accuse the right of. They are willing to taken this man at his word even though his rhetoric doesn't match voting record. They are stuck on one word Change, but yet they fall prey to the same fear tactic that they love to hate, but yet they jeer and cheer when he compares McCain to the past eight years.

I'm mostly angry because they take for granted that we live in a country that allows them this freedom of choice and freedom of opinion and all they do is take it for granted and complain and moan about what they don't have or what is unfair not realizing how much better we have it than 98% of the world.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by Hastobemoretolife]

posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 01:23 AM
[edit on 31-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 01:24 AM
Sorry, I keep getting all these lines on my post due to many, many quotes. Ok, I figured it out. Here...we....go

[edit on 31-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

[edit on 31-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 01:35 AM
reply to post by deathhasnosound

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
1. We are tired of this country going further and further away from Christian family values.

This country may have been founded by Christians, however, they were Christians with enough since to realize that it is wrong to force your religious beliefs onto another person. This is exactly why they created the separation of church and state. They did this not to protect religion from the state, but instead, to protect the state from religious nut jobs who would force their beliefs or "values" onto other people. Essentially, they did it to protect this country from people like you.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
2. We are tired of the ACLU defending every scumbag degenerate that thinks they have a "right" like the freaks that want it legal to make love to young boys as young as 8.

Who thinks this? And since when has the ACLU ever defended someone who wants to "make love to young boys". Congrats, you just won my "most ridiculous statement of the week" award. In fact, the only people I even know of who might believe this are the Catholic priests who have been convicted of doing just that or the LDS crazies who live on compounds. In other words, more religious nut jobs...sound familiar

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
3. We are tired of the reverse racism that is allowed to take place and people that pretend it doesn't exist.

Well, I will say this; The day you will accept $1 million to change the color of your skin to black, you let me know. Until then, you will just have to put up with the minuscule amount of "reverse racism" you encounter.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
4. We are tired of every second having to fight against laws that try to take our guns.

The only guns Obama or anyone on the left want to take away are guns whose sole purpose are to kill massive amounts of people in a very short period of time. No one, I repeat, no one wants to take away your handguns, shotguns, or hunting rifles. Things like full auto and perhaps semi auto assault weapons have no place in the hands of average citizens. Personally, I would love to own one of these weapons, sounds like a lot of fun. However, I am willing to give this right up so that you and I can go to work, or to the bank, or our children can go to school and not have to worry about some mentally deranged individual showing up and massacring dozens of people with a single weapon. I know you think we should get to own these weapons to "defend" ourselves from the government. But, lets get real, those days ended with the invention of things like tanks and nuclear warheads. If the government wants to kill you, your assault weapons won't stop them.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
5. We are tired of those activist judges that write laws from the bench instead of simply interpret the law.

These "activist" judges you are speaking about are NOT writing laws, they are interpreting laws, just as you stated was your desire. No one wrote any law to allow things marriage. Instead, they interpreted existing laws as stating that we could not longer allow a subgroup of our population to be discriminated against.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
6. We are tired of the left treating our military like crap but whining about feeling not safe from terrorism.

The left is not treating the military like crap. In fact, I would say sending our military into an illegal and unjust war based upon lies, is treating them like crap. This BS about anyone who does not support this war is not "supporting the troops" just won't fly anymore. Quit saying it, no rational person is buying it.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
7. We are tired of the wild fires in California that occur because the same idiots that get burned out of house and home voted to outlaw controlled burning because it was "annoying".

Well, I actually agree with you here. Anyone against controlled burning is an idiot and does no know what they are talking about.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
8. Are tired of whacko environmentalist that bitch and complain about the price of gas but yet outlaw drilling in Anwar and off the California/Florida coasts.

These "whackos" by the way just realize that we will never, I repeat, NEVER drill our way out of our dependence on foreign oil. They also understand that opening up off shore drilling and ANWAR will at best, lower the price of gas perhaps 10 cents. The destruction of our coasts and wild lands is a pretty crappy trade off for 10 cents less per gallon. Maybe you should do some research instead of throwing around insults and listening to Rush all the time. By the way, environmentalists just want to preserve our environment for you and your children, perhaps they deserve your respect instead of your insults.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
9. We are tired of environmentalist whackos that, well, read this:

in response to state and federal environmental regulations since the 1970s. Many new blends of gasoline have been developed to comply with regional and state air quality regulations. As a result, there are about 17 different kinds of gasoline that are sold across the country.

and then they bitch and moan about the price of gas.

I don't even know what your point is here. Quite frankly the only people I hear "b**** and moan" about the price of oil are the SUV drivers. Most environmentalists drive hybrids and thus are less affected by the price of gas.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
10. We are tired of the politicians allowing our borders to be overrun with illegals.

Apparently you missed the fact that it was your Republican president who was in favor allowing these illegals to "overrun" our borders. Again, try doing some research and direct your anger where it belongs.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 01:36 AM
reply to post by deathhasnosound

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
11. We are tired of welfare being abused by lazy so and so's that use food stamps but yet drive Cadillac Escalades.

Wow, where do you live. I don't know anyone who drives an Escalade and receives food stamps. Again buddy, stop listening to all the right wing propaganda that fuels your unjustified rage. I must admit, I had a much needed laugh over this comment.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
12. We are tired of angry homosexuals that demand equal rights but parade themselves in front of our children half naked and do dispicable acts in public to prove how "equal" they are.

Well, here again, I agree with you, to a degree. I don't think people should "parade themselves in front of our children half naked", however, anyone who brings their children to a gay pride march should expect to see people expressing themselves as a gay American. And yes, gay men do tend to dress like women. And in case you had yet to notice, many women dress "half naked" on a daily basis. I bet you have never had a problem with that though.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
13. We are tired of lefty atheist constantly trying to take God out of our money and our pledge of allegiance.

We should, take those things out. America was founded on the principle of freedom of religion, even if your "religion" is the belief that there is no God. We are a country of diverse religious beliefs and unless you are willing to allow muslim, jewish, hindu, atheist, etc. principles to be articulated in the pledge or on our money, you have to accept that no religious principles be allowed to be articulated or favored by our government.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
14. We are tired of ignorants that compare the muslim "religion" to modern Christianaity.

What is this statement about. Are you trying to make sure that everyone knows you are a religious bigot. The Muslim religion is every bit as worthy in God's eyes as your religion. What makes you think your religion is so much better than theirs??? In fact, I see more similarities b/w radical Islam and radical Christianity than I am sure you would like.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
15. We are tired of the abuse of our flag and idiots that think it is nothing more than a piece of cloth with dye on it.

Why do you even harp on this point, it is a form of political protest...Period. All of the soldiers who have died fighting for this country died so that you have the right to express your protests however you like, including to burn the flag. I don't particularly agree with this form of protest but I agree with you, or anyone for that matter, having the right to exercise their disgust with our government however they like, so long as it does not harm someone else.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
16. We are tired of our border patrol agents being sent to jail for shooting a known, illegal alien, drug dealer in the butt when he was shooting at them first.

I did not happen to hear about this particular case, but if it indeed it did go down the way you stated, I agree this is ridiculous. Especially if it was a case of self defense.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
17. We are tired that the above illegal alien, drug dealer was awarded compensation by our court system that we have to pay from our taxes.

Again, sounds pretty crazy to me too. I don’t blame you for being upset.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
18. We are tired of idiots that cheat the voting system.

Whoa, dude. Never in our history has there been such a blatant case of election fraud as was perpetrated in Florida in 2000. Don't even try and pull that one, that dog simply won't hunt. Especially after the 2000 and 2004 elections and the discrepancies in the exit polling vs actual results. You are three times more likely to buy a $1 powerball ticket and win, than it is likely that Bush legitimately won the 2004 election. Check out the scholarly report done by Dr. Steven Freeman proving this statement if you doubt me.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
19. We are tired of lefties suing high schools because a prayer was said prior to the start of a football game.

Again, if you want a prayer said before your kids football game, send them to a private school. Do not however, send them to a public school, funded by religiously diverse taxpayers, and expect that a christian prayer should be tolerated.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
20. We are tired of 90% of blacks voting for Obama simly because he is black (go ahead and deny it but it is true)

I agree, it is true. However, I can hardly blame them. I would do the same. However, just so you know, 90% of blacks have historically voted for the liberal candidate, black or white.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
21. We are tired of being called racist when we speak the truth about what we see as being so obvious. You would be surprised how many of us are completely NOT racist.

I would never call you a racist for speaking the "truth" about what you see. I would however rightly call you a racist if you believe your race is superior to all other races. I hope for your sake that you do not believe this, else, you are a racist by definition.

Whoa, that took me almost an hour to attempt to stomp most of your points to dust and make you look like, well, what I made you look like, you fill in the blank with whatever you feel is most appropriate. I doubt however, I changed your mind about any of the points you made. Sad really, but at least I can tell myself I tried.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

[edit on 31-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 10:17 AM
reply to post by BluegrassRevolutionary

sheesh, don't you realize that these well thought out rebuttals, and healthy debate will in most cases kill a thread? You have to at least make the illusion that your argument is vulnerable. Sort of the same concept as, if you don't let the other kids win once in a while, they won't want to play with you anymore.

Well said!

posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 10:31 AM

Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary

Wow, where do you live. I don't know anyone who drives an Escalade and receives food stamps. Again buddy, stop listening to all the right wing propaganda that fuels your unjustified rage. I must admit, I had a much needed laugh over this comment.

You say that like this never happens. I'm from CT and that state has always had problems with people trading those EBT cards for drugs. I've personally been behind numerous people at the supermarket buying carts full of crap with food stamps then loading up their late model cars in the parking lot. Everything from Buicks to Cadillacs and even a Hummer on two occasions that I witnessed.

Maybe these are all delusions and my eyes are transmitting "right-wing" propaganda directly into my brain but I doubt that.

If it comes down to "well, I saw" and you responding "well, I never saw" then we get the stupidity we deserve now dont we?

How about we stop pretending gross abuses dont happen and fix it?

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