If after I presented my argument, and people stop responding, does this mean i've won?

I've successfully squashed this thread... maybe i'll move on to all the other threads about obama's citizenship...

Originally posted by LogicalExplanation
The fact that his own grandmother said he was born in Kenya should be enough. Why would she say that, especially considering how much it could potentially hurt his chances at being prez, if it wasn't true?

Where did the quote come from? A blog on the Internet. That's where and Berg cannot verify it. Yet he used it in his lawsuit anyway.

Now Berg says he has a tape that verifies that she said the same thing. Only -- -- it hasn't been translated yet, and it is not under sworn affidavit. What a joke! For all Berg knows, the woman on the tape might be talking about the birth of the universe!

Sublime620 said, "Who are you voting for then. If not McCain (correct spelling), then who? Nadar? Pfft. And if you aren't voting... you don't deserve to post on these topics."




Now, I'm getting REALLY REALLY sick of this viewpoint. What gives you the illusion that because you participate in a failure of a political system called "Democracy" (actually a Democratic REPUBLIC), that you have the right to discuss the relevant facts of a political situation, and someone else that does not participate in this farce does not have that right?




Democracy is just as big a failure and an oppressor as any other system created by man to govern his fellow men. What makes you think that because 15 percent of people in a nation want one man to exercise executive power over them, that that man has the right to exercise executive power over the other 85 percent of people that do NOT want him exercising such power over them. On the contrary to your comments, I say that people who vote (about 30 or 40 percent of people in a nation with a "GOOD" turn out) don't deserve to complain about whoever wins, because they agreed to that system. The people who do not want this farce of a democracy have every right to complain and criticize, because they never agreed to live under such a system as the tyranny of the majority minority. I hate that system, and do not wish to live under it....why should I have to give up the land I was born on or follow laws that are harmful to me and be persecuted for ancestral practices that have nothing to do with taking anyone else's rights just because 15 to 30 percent of people think I should? Aren't they the ones taking my rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which the founders of this country considered to be "self evident", and given by the Creator?


Well, my answer is that the main problem is that this country was FOUNDED UPON LIES AND WICKEDNESS AND HYPOCRISY...while these words of freedom, happiness, and justice echoed out of their mouths, they tolerated the subjugation and oppression of a kidnapped people, and even participated in it. And all this, against the dictates of what they considered to be their own religion. Indentured servitude is the only kind of "slavery" allowed for a Puritan's descendant who claims to believe in the scriptures. And they are required by the same, not only to release free their servant in the seventh year of their servitude, but also to furnish them liberally with everything they will need to start out/restart their independent life.


No, the people of this nation kidnapped, enslaved, subjugated, and oppressed others, and have remained unapologetic, and unmindful of their obligations to their ex-slaves. For this, they themselves are enslaved, and will find themselves in a quite negative situtation of their own making....indeed, they have been, and are already finding themselves in such a situation. They must cry out to the Creator in repentance, and begin to do right works. That includes reparations and repatriation for those who desire it. Those multiple trillions of dollars should not have been given to banks to bail them out....to the contrary, they will become stronger oppressors of you because of this. That money should have been used to right the ancient wrongs of this nation, and help those they have hurt, the Native Americans and the African Americans. Those they oppressed, murdered, and enslaved.


Instead, this nation will be deceived by its "democracy", and will continue to toot its own horn until it is completely destroyed.




-Elijah

[edit on 26-10-2008 by Elijah Mohammad]

The easiest thing to do would have been for Obama to submit his original copy of his birth certificate to the Judge, and the judge could have dismissed the case on the grounds that the claim was false, and end of story.

It makes no sense that Obama did not do this, or that his lawyers would advise him not to do this. That would have ended all questions. By not producing the document in question, it looks like Obama has something to hide.

Are we going to have another supreme court determined election?

Some things are understood by default:

Why place a law in the constitution with no way to enforce it, surely it's authors did not deem it necessary for the legislature to write one!
They could in no way have foreseen the citizens of this great nation standby in deafening silence of such an abomination.

Nor could they have ever imagined a man of God preaching- "God Dam America", yet gave men the right to do so!

We the people have the inherit right under the constitution to enforce all it's statutes, we are born in freedom with this burden.

The American Indians know the results of not protecting their borders!
May we never know the results of not protecting our "Constitution" and the resulting calamity!

May God help us to save ourselves and may God Bless America !

Originally posted by nj2day
Can you prove your citizenship if your birth certificate is not accepted as evidence?

No! But if you'll pay for the move and can find a country willing to take me, I'll be ready on or about Jan 21st.