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posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 05:18 AM
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This has turned into such a nasty election, I really wonder how the losing side will respond.

Currently, Obama supporters think that they have such a strong lead that any loss would certainly be election fraud.

A McCain 'Win' Will Be Theft, Resistance Is Planned
mwcnews.net...

McCain Campaign Caught in Conspiracy to Commit Voter Fraud - Hires Voter Fraud Convicted Felon for $175k
/5sw2vj

Meanwhile, McCain and his supporters are doing their best to tie Obama to Acorn. They are laying the groundwork for being able to dispute the results of the election if they are to lose.

Barack Obama's ACORN Tree
www.gop.com...

McCain Camp Drives Obama-ACORN Connection
elections.foxnews.com...

And the media is now telling us that we can't accept the data from the exit polls either.
News outlets sweat over exit poll accuracy - Yahoo! News
news.yahoo.com...


If Obama wins, many McCain supporters will feel that the country is about to be led by a socialist, with ties to terrorism, who hates America and just stole the election.

If McCain wins, many Obama supporters will feel that the election was just stolen by a hate filled, short tempered Republican that probably won't survive his term and will have a hate filled idiot to fill in his shoes after he dies.

The scary thing is, one of these groups is going to lose. Which one do you think will handle it better? Do you think either side will simply accept defeat?

I think it could get very ugly, regardless of which side wins.




posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 05:22 AM
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I agree. But most of McCain supporters are old, so they won't do a thing about it. Yes, there's only one redneck needed to kill Obama... or even attempt to shoot Obama... the holy messiah of liberals... but eh.

- BTW I don't support any of them. But the whole Obama cult is just scary.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 05:43 AM
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I don't want to make any predictions since I am not clairvoyant but I have had the worst feeling that there will be violence on election day. This opinion is based on the rhetoric coming from the McPalin side (which seems to have either subsided a bit or is not getting the same MSM scrutiny anymore) and the almost euphoric craziness of some of the Obama supporters.
As for Vitchilo's comment that the Obama campaign is a cult... I find that off. I am an admitted Obamanaut and have been even since before it was "cool" but I think this is not due to some scary quasi-religious reason. I think Obama is my generation's (I'm 36) Democratic Reagan. So by that comparison could you say that those who still bring up Reagan at every turn are cultists too? Obama is just inspiring not a messianic figure.

Post election violence, Karl, I think is only fomented by the Obama side if he is elected and then subsequently killed. If he loses the election I will assume something fishy might have occurred but would not go rioting in the streets, I mean, I AM a Democrat, I'm used to getting screwed in national elections!



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 05:56 AM
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I am pretty sure this is why the active duty brigade was brought home from Iraq, to quell the violence that may erupt in the aftermath of this election. Given that it was the Bush administration that brought them home, one may have some insight as to who will ultimately win the election. Lets hope that this prophecy does not prove accurate.

By the way, exit polling was, many times over in the past, used to legitimize elections. That was until, in 2000, Bush was allowed to take office despite the fact that the discrepancies b/w the exit poll results and the actual results showed that there was a 1 in 250 million chance that he won legitimately.

IMO, comparing exit polls to actual election results is accurate and should be used to legitimize elections. The problem is that the 2000 election kind of ruined the perceived credibility of this exact science. Just another example of the damage done by the Bush administrations time in office.

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

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posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 06:08 AM
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I have no clue what will happen. I have been thinking about what would happen if Obama loses. I do not have any data, links or anything to back up my thought, because it is just my own opinion.

With Obama all but announcing that he has won the election, all these worthless polls that we have saying Obama is well ahead and the fact that everyone is being told that a vote for McCain is a vote for another Bush. We are being led to believe that this election will not be close. If McCain ends up winning there will be riots and protests, because these people will believe that there is no honest way Obama could have lost.

Since McCain is being depicted as not having a chance, I think that if he lost then there wil be some who will claim fraud. The reaction to him losing will be on a smaller scale just because he is being painted as not having a chance.

Again, this is my opinion. I could be wrong or right.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
I am pretty sure this is why the active duty brigade was brought home from Iraq, to quell the violence that may erupt in the aftermath of this election. Given that it was the Bush administration that brought them home, one may have some insight as to who will ultimately win the election. Lets hope that this prophecy does not prove accurate.

By the way, exit polling was, many times over in the past, used to legitimize elections. That was until, in 2000, Bush was allowed to take office despite the fact that the discrepancies b/w the exit poll results and the actual results showed that there was a 1 in 250 million chance that he won legitimately.

IMO, comparing exit polls to actual election results is accurate and should be used to legitimize elections. The problem is that the 2000 election kind of ruined the perceived credibility of this exact science. Just another example of the damage done by the Bush administrations time in office.

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]


How long will people blame Bush for everything? I'm am not a fan of Bush at all, but he is in office for(for a few more months anyways) and there is nothing we can do about it now. If Obama wins are you going to blame Bush for everything that goes wrong during Obamas' term? No one is blaming Clinton for passing on the Al Quada problem to Bush. Remember Al Quada took responsibility for bombing the USS Cole during the Clinton administration. Attacking the US military is an act of war (during Pearl Harbour anyways). Clinton chose not to act. If he had maybe this whole war might have gone a little better, then again maybe not. Regardless of why he did not act W is getting the blame, with no blame being directed toward Clinton for not doing something sooner. Sometimes I wonder that if he had acted would the WTC still be standing? I blame both Clinton and Bush for this though. Both should have handled it differantly.

I do not blame everything that went wrong these last 8 years on Bush. The way our government is set up makes it so that 1 man does not have absolute control over the United States. I do blame Bush for alot of things, however alot of blame should be distributed evenly toward the government as a whole. That means blame to be given to Democrats and Republicans.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 06:35 AM
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I think it is a mixed bag. Obama supporters certainly seem to expect to win right now. They will probably be more likely to feel outraged and claim voter fraud. Now, they may take to the streets but a large majority of them probably felt the same thing when Bush beat Gore so we can probably look at that election and have a good idea of what the reaction will be.

The McCain supporters on the other hand, may expect to lose at this point since they are behind in the polls, but the outcome of a loss will probably be more devastating to them. There are a lot of people who really believe that Obama is a Muslim that is here to destroy the country. The reality of him being president will be a very grim reality for a lot of those supporters. Obama supporters think that McCain will be like 4 more years of Bush, so they at least have a template to go off of. McCain supporters only have their wildest imagination to feed off of and the reality that they are creating is pretty frightening.

On one side, you have large numbers of people who have been through this before. On the other side you have a smaller group who are very frightened and angry.

It will be interesting to watch.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 07:07 AM
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Thank you. People conviently forget the attacks by terrorists that occured on US Citizens during the Clinton Administration. bin Laden wouldn't have been around to mastermind 9/ll if Clinton had been willing to give the order to pull the trigger.
And if we really want to keep placing blame, let's just go back to the Pilgrims whose goal was to build a "shining city on a hill." If they'd stayed in England or Holland, the Native Americans would be happy, the country would be unspoiled, we wouldn't have global warming, and we'd be in Eden. (Heavy Sarcasm!)



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by jd140
 

Thank you. People conviently forget the attacks by terrorists that occured on US Citizens during the Clinton Administration. bin Laden wouldn't have been around to mastermind 9/ll if Clinton had been willing to give the order to pull the trigger.
And if we really want to keep placing blame, let's just go back to the Pilgrims whose goal was to build a "shining city on a hill." If they'd stayed in England or Holland, the Native Americans would be happy, the country would be unspoiled, we wouldn't have global warming, and we'd be in Eden. (Heavy Sarcasm!)


I hope that heavy sarcasm was just for the second paragraph.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 07:36 AM
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Look man, face it, Bush was a horrible disgrace of a president and anyone who voted for him should be ashamed and re-evaluate the decision process that led them to vote for the worst president in American history. Why is it that when put in a corner by the facts, Republicans all too often change the subject and spout their gripes about Clinton. I said nothing about a 9/11 or the war in Iraq, my comment related to how the 2000 election, and the voter fraud that occurred in America, destroyed the credibility of exit polling. By the way, if you are not a Republican, I apologize for insinuating you were. Still though, try to address the issue at hand and don't change the subject.

As far as why Clinton did not take action against Bin Laden when he had the chance, to my understanding Clinton felt there was too great a chance of civilian casualties to pursue a military attack. I am sure had he known what was to occur on 9/11, he would have put those concerns aside and bombed the heck out of where ever Bin Laden was at the time.

I blame Bush for what has happened over the last eight years because when Clinton left office, America was still "that shining city on the hill."

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by Karlhungis
This has turned into such a nasty election, I really wonder how the losing side will respond.

Currently, Obama supporters think that they have such a strong lead that any loss would certainly be election fraud.

A McCain 'Win' Will Be Theft, Resistance Is Planned
mwcnews.net...

McCain Campaign Caught in Conspiracy to Commit Voter Fraud - Hires Voter Fraud Convicted Felon for $175k
/5sw2vj

Meanwhile, McCain and his supporters are doing their best to tie Obama to Acorn. They are laying the groundwork for being able to dispute the results of the election if they are to lose.

Barack Obama's ACORN Tree
www.gop.com...

McCain Camp Drives Obama-ACORN Connection
elections.foxnews.com...

And the media is now telling us that we can't accept the data from the exit polls either.
News outlets sweat over exit poll accuracy - Yahoo! News
news.yahoo.com...


If Obama wins, many McCain supporters will feel that the country is about to be led by a socialist, with ties to terrorism, who hates America and just stole the election.

If McCain wins, many Obama supporters will feel that the election was just stolen by a hate filled, short tempered Republican that probably won't survive his term and will have a hate filled idiot to fill in his shoes after he dies.

The scary thing is, one of these groups is going to lose. Which one do you think will handle it better? Do you think either side will simply accept defeat?

I think it could get very ugly, regardless of which side wins.


Greetings.......Fear Not....This is not the first hotly contested political race in the history of the country.....It appears to me you did not live through the 60s....This nation was devided and angry over a stupid war that was costing lives and money....There were assasinations and civil disobedience on a grand scale....When RFK was assasinated the nation wept,When MLK was assasinated the nation was in shock and every major city in this country experienced violence,looting,rioting and mahem...We are not a kinder gentler nation....we are selfish to the point of hostility...The majority of americans are decent people and the end of this political race will start a new chapter....Be advised there are those who find violence the solution to every problem.....



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
reply to post by jd140
 


Look man, face it, Bush was a horrible disgrace of a president and anyone who voted for him should be ashamed and re-evaluate the decision process that led them to vote for the worst president in American history. Why is it that when put in a corner by the facts, Republicans all too often change the subject and spout their gripes about Clinton. I said nothing about a 9/11 or the war in Iraq, my comment related to how the 2000 election, and the voter fraud that occurred in America, destroyed the credibility of exit polling. By the way, if you are not a Republican, I apologize for insinuate you were. Still though, try to address the issue at hand and don't change the subject.

As far as why Clinton did not take action against Bin Laden when he had the chance, to my understanding Clinton felt there was too great a chance of civilian casualties to pursue a military attack. I am sure had he known what was to occur on 9/11, he would have put those concerns aside and bombed the heck out of where ever Bin Laden was at the time.

I blame Bush for what has happened over the last eight years because when Clinton left office, America was still "that shining city on the hill."

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]


I didn't change the subject, I was referring to your last comment about the Bush addministration. "Just another example of the damage done by the Bush administrations time in office".

My comment was how the blame of what is wrong in this country shouldn't be placed on one man alone, but spread evenly across the government as a whole, I just used the USS Cole as an example. I did not defend Bush at all. Notice I did say Bush deserves alot of blame.

Not that it really matters, but I am registered as a Republican. That does not mean that I vote Republican because I never vote for a party. I vote for the man I think should be in office. Be it Republican, Democrat or Independant.

I have a saying:
Vote with your heart and mind not your eyes and keep it to yourself, the world will be a better place.

[edit on 21-10-2008 by jd140]



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
reply to post by jd140
 


Look man, face it, Bush was a horrible disgrace of a president and anyone who voted for him should be ashamed and re-evaluate the decision process that led them to vote for the worst president in American history. Why is it that when put in a corner by the facts, Republicans all too often change the subject and spout their gripes about Clinton. I said nothing about a 9/11 or the war in Iraq, my comment related to how the 2000 election, and the voter fraud that occurred in America, destroyed the credibility of exit polling. By the way, if you are not a Republican, I apologize for insinuate you were. Still though, try to address the issue at hand and don't change the subject.

As far as why Clinton did not take action against Bin Laden when he had the chance, to my understanding Clinton felt there was too great a chance of civilian casualties to pursue a military attack. I am sure had he known what was to occur on 9/11, he would have put those concerns aside and bombed the heck out of where ever Bin Laden was at the time.

I blame Bush for what has happened over the last eight years because when Clinton left office, America was still "that shining city on the hill."

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]


You need to move on with this weak argument that anyone who voted for Bush should be ashamed. I voted for Bush in the last election because I felt he was the best man for the job. I am not ashamed. THis is how the system works. You clearly have a double standard. You can blame everything on Bush but shame on anyone who tries to hold Clinton accountable for his shortcomings in a less than stellar presidency.

You clearly did not pay attention in your High School Civics class. You should be holding congress responsible for our recent woes in this country. Especially the last two years of a Democrat controlled congress who loves to spend money on themselves.

Back to the main topic... I have an eerie feeling that there will be trouble on the streets if either candidate wins. The trouble will start at the polling stations.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
reply to post by jd140
 


Look man, face it, Bush was a horrible disgrace of a president and anyone who voted for him should be ashamed and re-evaluate the decision process that led them to vote for the worst president in American history. Why is it that when put in a corner by the facts, Republicans all too often change the subject and spout their gripes about Clinton. I said nothing about a 9/11 or the war in Iraq, my comment related to how the 2000 election, and the voter fraud that occurred in America, destroyed the credibility of exit polling. By the way, if you are not a Republican, I apologize for insinuate you were. Still though, try to address the issue at hand and don't change the subject.

As far as why Clinton did not take action against Bin Laden when he had the chance, to my understanding Clinton felt there was too great a chance of civilian casualties to pursue a military attack. I am sure had he known what was to occur on 9/11, he would have put those concerns aside and bombed the heck out of where ever Bin Laden was at the time.

I blame Bush for what has happened over the last eight years because when Clinton left office, America was still "that shining city on the hill."

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]

[edit on 21-10-2008 by BluegrassRevolutionary]


Greetings .....Bush has made mistakes yes!! So has Clinton!! The truth be told ....both of these candidates/presidents are a reflection of the entire population of this great country...It is ok to lie....it is ok to deminish the office with lued street like sexual perversion in the peoples house...and I can go on and on....The problem is the people of this country stand for nothing....The american people used to stand for...The existance of God...The sanctity of life.. and the rule of law....



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:04 AM
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My bad.

I will give you that politicians on both sides of the isle are corrupt. We have our system of campaign finance to thank for that. However, you will never see me let Bush off the hook for the damage he has done to this country, its people, and our standing in the world. January 1st can not come soon enough.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
But the whole Obama cult is just scary.


Can you please give some examples of this "Obama cult" mentality Which I've heard so much about with no evidence thus far. I mean, alot of people want him to be president, yes, but how is that "cultish"? Anyway, just interested in some examples please.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
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My bad.

I will give you that politicians on both sides of the isle are corrupt. We have our system of campaign finance to thank for that. However, you will never see me let Bush off the hook for the damage he has done to this country, its people, and our standing in the world. January 1st can not come soon enough.


Don't let Bush off the hook, however do not let the rest of the government off that same hook. Bush could not have done what has been done without the support of the majority of the government. Thats how our system is run, by majority vote.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by jibeho
You need to move on with this weak argument that anyone who voted for Bush should be ashamed. I voted for Bush in the last election because I felt he was the best man for the job. I am not ashamed. THis is how the system works. You clearly have a double standard. You can blame everything on Bush but shame on anyone who tries to hold Clinton accountable for his shortcomings in a less than stellar presidency.

You clearly did not pay attention in your High School Civics class. You should be holding congress responsible for our recent woes in this country. Especially the last two years of a Democrat controlled congress who loves to spend money on themselves.

Back to the main topic... I have an eerie feeling that there will be trouble on the streets if either candidate wins. The trouble will start at the polling stations.


Well you should be ashamed, especially for voting for him in 2004 after seeing the horrible job he did with his first four years in office. I was no fan of Kerry either but at that, point anything would have been better than another Bush term. My money is on in twenty years, you will no longer own up to voting for him as it will be a complete embarrassment by then. As far as holding this Democratic congress responsible for something; I hold them responsible for not sticking to their guns and impeaching Bush or at least holding his feet to the fire. Every bill this congress passed that was worth anything was vetoed by Bush. Given that they did not have the votes to override his vetos, they were powerless.

That being said, I do agree with you that there will be trouble in the streets no matter who wins. There are very passionate supporters for both candidates. Lets both hope calmer heads prevail.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:22 AM
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Watch Barry's rallies very closely on TV. Study the crowd. The majority have a glazed over, star struck look in their eyes. It is just like watching the crowd that swooned over The Beatles or Elvis. Better yet the crowd that followed Jim Jones to the Kool Aid barrel. The man can do no wrong in their eyes. No proof of citizenship, no problem. No transcripts, no problem. No medical records, no problem. This is the guy that will save us all. Who needs the constitution anyway? Nobama clearly does not need it.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by jd140
Don't let Bush off the hook, however do not let the rest of the government off that same hook. Bush could not have done what has been done without the support of the majority of the government. Thats how our system is run, by majority vote.


In case you did not notice, the majority you are speaking of for 6 of the 8 years under the Bush administration was a Republican majority. Given that they fell in line with anything Bush said, IMO he is more to blame than you would like to think. I wish I could be more open minded about this however, my memory is just too strong. I will go to my grave blaming this country's woes over the last eight years on one man, George W. Bush.



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