Rescue For The Few, Debt Slavery For The Many

Great thread DimensionalDectective star and flag for you. Sadly what you say is true. I have felt for some time debtor’s prisons, the poorhouse and orphanages are in the not to distant future for the middle class.

They take our jobs our homes our security the only thing left to take is our freedom. How free are the starving homeless they become slaves to their hunger and the elements.

Everyone needs to think alternate lifestyle. My husband and I took steps many years ago to separate somewhat from society. Most in our community think similarly. We all use barter. Many people live out on their land in small trailers and campers. We help each other. Things are fairly lax out here.

If it really gets bad I don’t want to think of people herded up put in camps and possibly separated from their children. Now maybe some of you might think I’m doom and gloom but hear me out. Doom & gloom scenarios play out for a portion of our populace on a daily basis for years our town has been hit by people leaving Texas and California priced out of the housing market. It’s when large numbers are involved that things could get out of hand. Tent city type ghettos could spring up being the only option for city dwellers not safe for single women and families.

Before you have nothing left at all get some basic camping gear together go look around at the goodwill and rummage sales. Start taking drives in the country looking for abandon houses and structures. I am not saying move your family into some shack today just take a look at what is available around you and file that info away for future reference. Look in heavily wooded fairly isolated areas for cover and the availability of firewood.

In my area alone there are a number of houses and trailers/campers more or less abandoned by their owners. One small camper sits empty up the road no one has been there in years. There’s a beautiful log home that sits empty the interior is not done but there is a fireplace countless numbers of hunters shacks and campers litter this land. I am not even sure how many acres we have out here my husband says at least 700 possibly much more we live in a failed land development just a handful of owners reside here.

I am not recommending anyone do anything illegal or get shot for trespassing that’s why you have to check it out several times in advance. We have for years had squatters living out here as long as they lay low they are never found out they usually leave due to the rugged nature and isolation.

I wish you all the best if you find your way out here you will always be welcomed to a warm meal. Most out here are good people just depends on your intent.

www.zeitgeistmovie.com...

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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Watch for the next move. ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, ONE WORLD MONEY=ANTICHRIST's Coming... BUY GUNS, AMMO, FOOD in major proportion. You will NOT SURVIVE without doing this. This is ALL IN THE BIBLE... You have to be prepared for survival. The government will NOT take care of you, they will KILL YOU. WE are witnessing the END TIMES.

IMHO you are correct about the End Times, but the next events will be the nuclear ME war, the arrival of our twin star Nemesis, and the huge increase in planetary natural disasters, caused, as our current 3% global warming and weather shifts, by the incoming star. IMHO, the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit has already occured, probably in late 80s, and it has always been ASSUMED that this meant the removal or rapture of the church. But it wasn't. The Bible never says that. We will know in the next few weeks if Israel will nuke Iran, like they say they will, after the election, or be forced to, prior to our election. Like it really matters if we have a Communist Democrat, or a Socialist Republican, they both do the same wonderful things to us. We have no leaders, and the anti-christ will claim to be such a leader, when the star shows up, and in the midst of a total global financial meltdown. Their scam is being exposed, and people are beginning to lose all misplaced confidence in the fraudulent banking scam. Also, the Bible clearly states the anti-christ will be a PRINCE, such as a British prince. Most people don't want to hear this, and it is not my job to try and change their minds. But some will get it. You are not alone.

Originally posted by Snift

What else is there to say.

Ha, just saw that movie the other day. Brilliant! And yes, we can all echo that sentiment these days. I pity those who don't.

I am in agreement with everyone's post on this thread. I would only add that I was warned about this in 2000 and it is unfolding just as it was described to me. I sold my house and now have the so-called freedom of renting, but am not well off by any means.
As the Chinese saying goes - that this is either a time of opportunity or danger and I do think we'll be having both. That said, I lean to the more positive opportunity side of the equasion. We will have an opportunity to step out of our selfish little lives and help each other. There is no more resilient creature on this planet than human beings (well maybe cockroaches too).
I do have faith in people and after they shake off the shock of how things have change, you're going to see alot of people getting to work to over come the hardships and forge a new sense of community - global or local.
In conclusion, I do feel strongly the under-current we are working through. One friend estimates that there are no less than six factions fighting among themselves for ultimate power and control.
I also feel another force for good that these low-life elites are more frightened of than their own shadow and that's why they're in over-drive to accomplish their nefarious plans.
Do not loose faith, hope or charity.

Originally posted by selfisolated
Everyone should quit their jobs.
I mean, EVERYONE.

OK, there would be no payouts, no social security... but if you can live off the land for just a few weeks (so long as I had a tent and warm clothes I could survive), those at the top will soon realise how screwed they are without their precious 'citizens'.

Why quit your job? Just take your tax forms and claim EXEMPT. If everyone did it, they'd be dead shortly thereafter. Stop paying these bastards your money. And yes, it's your money, not theirs. They are entitled to nothing.

We own this effing country, not them.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


good find there, DD... i'm sure a lot of that is true, but then again, it is from Alex Jones's website - i have to take ANYTHING he says anymore with a grain of salt!

Originally posted by phinubian
... now since the government will be owning a stake in the bank and the property, if you default you will owe that money forever and I guarantee, that just like the IRS, there might be the chance of imprisonment or some other punishment for not paying the debt you owe
[edit on 14-10-2008 by phinubian]

On the other hand, if they decided to enforce this too strictly, it would pretty much kill the financial industry as in a matter of a few years very few people would decide to ask for any credits for fears of defaulting.

All in all my and everyone else's number one priority should be to get out and stay out of debt if at all possible.

Originally posted by shipovfools

Originally posted by Snift

What else is there to say.

Ha, just saw that movie the other day. Brilliant! And yes, we can all echo that sentiment these days. I pity those who don't.

which movie would that be?? the new Zeitgeist movie? or the 1976 movie, Network, which happens to be one of the, if not the most underrated movie of all time! i recommend that EVERYONE view Network at least once before they die - your life may very-well depend on it!

[edit on 14-10-2008 by adrenochrome]

People help to bailout banks with their own money, so that banks can keep lending them back at interest

reply to post by DimensionalDetective

Lots of folks don't know about the FED it is not related to the goverment. it is the private control of the banking system of the world owned by the Bank of England. This is the same banking system our country fought for our independence. The Federal Reserve is a Private Financial Institution owned by the elite bankers of the world known as the (PCG) The Fed came about in 1913 and the IRS came into play shortly after. Real about what President Willson did you will see what I mean. Who Owns The Federal Reserve?
The Fed is privately owned. Its shareholders are private banks. If you folks check this out you will see what is going on here. If you can get a book called the Banker's Handbook of Commercial Banking Law, which reveals a Secret--that CREDIT IS CREATED WITH THE LIEN PROCESS !!.
This is where the Federal Reserve gets the authority to print X amount of dollars.
On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificats were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the gevernment the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.

After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later, no more silver certificates were issued. The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid. Why then has no president utilized it? Virtually all of the nearly $6 trillion in debt has been created since 1963, and if a U.S. president had utilized Executive Order 11110 the debt would be nowhere near the current level. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to future presidents who would think to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. Mr. Kennedy challenged the government of money by challenging the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt - war and the creation of money by a privately-owned central bank. His efforts to have all troops out of Vietnam by 1965 and Executive Order 11110 would have severely cut into the profits and control of the New York banking establishment. As America's debt reaches unbearable levels and a conflict emerges in Bosnia that will further increase America's debt, one is force to ask, will President Clinton have the courage to consider utilizing Executive Order 11110 and, ifso, is he willing to pay the ultimate price for doing so?

DD again on a crusade to 1 MILLION ATS virtual points Disinfo.

Some countries with true government from/of the people just don't live like you add/promote fear.

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Free health care for all.

Free help if stressed concerned need personal assistance.

Free travel,speach,jobs,doctors,schools including home schooling.

Freedom.

Why must you add to the paranoia, fear and hate speak ?

Oh thats right you have been caught out again in propalgating the 'must keep logging into conpiracy blogs for my daily fear/scare crap.

People need to meet every challenge as an adventure with HOPE FAITH
and a step backed balanced viewpoint.

In all things keep HOPE and look to live a balanced life Resist fear.

LOVE ,PEACE,HOPE,FAITH and Strenght of MIND.

bring it on.

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LOL, what are you babbling about?

Uh yeah, "nothing to see here, just go right along with everything and keep quiet sheeples"...

And you're yapping about ME being disinfo? Who do YOU work for homie?

Last time I checked, WE, THE TAX-PAYERS >WERE< GETTING SADDLED with these bad debts to bail out these billionaire fraud schemers. And most of us are ALREADY struggling to survive.

So I have no idea what your ridiculous attempt at an insult was, but you need to either a) stop being so obvious that you're representing special-interests, or b) wake up from the La-La Land Bubble world you're living in.

Thanks.


[edit on 14-10-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by ROO-meh

 

LOL, what are you babbling about?

Uh yeah, "nothing to see here, just go right along with everything and keep quiet sheeples"...

And you're yapping about ME being disinfo? Who do YOU work for homie?

personal attacks with no back up .

I at least tried to give evidence, you sir resorted to personal abuse ... I call you bluff and your true colours are revealed .

Again stick to the facts and please resist the personal attacks.

Godspeed DD



Last time I checked, WE, THE TAX-PAYERS >WERE< GETTING SADDLED with these bad debts to bail out these billionaire fraud schemers. And most of us are ALREADY struggling to survive.

So I have no idea what your ridiculous attempt at an insult was, but you need to either a) stop being so obvious that you're representing special-interests, or b) wake up from the La-La Land Bubble world you're living in.

Thanks.


[edit on 14-10-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

Theres just way to many un-informed citizens , who feel power-less and small.
Evil seems to be much more organized and united than us.
why is that?
why cant we unite?
I think that with the help of the internet or whatnot , we need to form some sort of greater good , and devise a plan to salvage our futures.
Or involve ourselves in a "group" who already has a decent plan ( like the venus project , mind you its slightly iffy).
With enough like-minded people like yourselves its so do-able.
maybe Im just a dreamer.

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Can't do that.
In the UK, every employees NI Number (like social security number) is held by their employer, and your tax is taken before you even get your wages.

Can only be claimed back if you earn under a certain amount per annum.