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if the comments are racialy based or biggoted then i have to disagree, as its very dumb indeed!

i dont think their is a more counter productive way to think in the world today!

This very pitiful, many of those individuals probably did not make it past 5th grade.

There is a tremendous amount of fear, it is showing, this is the perfect storm for unprecedented unrest, I think if Obama wins or McCain, the aftermath of the elections will not be so pretty, also I do think we will know beyond a shadow of a doubt shortly after the election who won, so this will add to the amount of frustration in these individuals.

These are the hardcore, anti anyone else side of America, they live in a vacuum, it is also unfortunate that Obama made the statement he did about small towns, however, it was taken out of context, he actually was talking about certain midwestern small towns he had been to that since the aftermath of the great depression jobs and economies have never returned and those particular small towns remain bitter because of that fact and all they had to cling to was their guns and religion and in a lot of ways he was correct if applied to the context he put it in, but his comment taken out of context was immediately and erroneously applied to all small towns unfortunately.

So the perpetuation of that statement in an incorrect context has also led to a lot of people in all small towns to be angry when his statement was not really aimed at small towns in the generic sense it was taken.





[edit on 13-10-2008 by phinubian]

Originally posted by Karlhungis
Do you think that the monkey was a reference to his intelligence or simply a toy with no other intended meaning?

Both, but it would have never come up if not for it's excessive use over the last 8 years. Yes, there are some that don't like anyone who doesn't have the same skin color. They're free to voice that opinion. Their reasoning doesn't have to be founded on facts. There is nothing illegal about a shirt that states you don't think blacks should be in the White House.

Why am I down-playing the race card? Because I think it's being used as a cover to avoid other issues. Forget that he's half-black and ignore the monkey images. Those are red-herrings, the magician's smoke, the half-dressed smiling woman that distracts you from what's really going on.

Forget the "blacks are inferior" racial implication. Other than that the racial implications in this instance are completely appropriate. If not, then why is it written in the Constitution that an American President has to be a native American? Sure Obama is, but his father wasn't. That's more than enough of a sound reasoning for some to question his loyalty to the United States. If this wasn't an issue then why did the Founding Fathers add this into the Constitution? They were obviously thinking of the same thing that is being brought up in this instance.

It's perfectly appropriate to question his race and origin. Just because that race happens to be black doesn't change anything. Sure he meets the legal qualifications, but only just barely. Would you let a random 16 year old who just go their driver's license yesterday drive your kids around town? Despite the fact that the person is 100% within the law, you would still have reservations about their qualifications. The same situation applies here.

The video in the original post reminds me of the KKK rallies they used to have near my area...pretty sad really. But it seems that the racism just hasn't died out as much as it has needed to. I stated in another thread that I am even able to stay in the place I rent because I am not voting instead of voting for Obama...looks like the redneck mentality is reaching far into other parts of the US where rednecks are scarce. And while the video was short, I find it hard to believe that not one person stepped in to just speak some logic into the crowd...but I am sure if there were it would not have been shown anyways as this is an attempt to show the logic behind the McCain/Palin supporters.

However, I believe this is just a small fraction of what will come. While I have not heard of massive violence yet, I am afraid that it will come to that unless people try to calm the mentality of either sides supporters now.

I remember a few months ago in a Comp class...we used to have discussions about topics, mainly because the instructor was new and she was trying to get some level of participation out of the students. Racial stuff came up in nearly every class, in which she loved to point out the fact that even though I always had something to add about every single topic, but when it came to racial topics I remained quiet. I loved her for that because I felt she was singling me out just for not wanting to participate in topics that should not be discussed in a school setting with only 2 other white people in the class. So I explained my position in my belief system about the whole racial divide among the class (18 blacks, 3 hispanics, 2 whites). While I feel that what I would say as an opinion would be understood exactly by the older black gentleman in the class, the guy in the back who was open about being a member of the Crypts might take it very differently. And while the N-bomb was said often, it doesn't matter of the context, white people simply should just not say it or get into any subject where the word is brought up.

...Longer story short...while I believe what I said was right, as did every other student who came up to me after the classes to express thier understanding and respect of my position, some stuff can be taken out of context regardless of the circumstances. All the racial comments after the election will remain in peoples minds, and those who said them will receive much scrutiny from other members of society. Too many people are being brainwashed yet again and not able to look at the fact that both candidates have good points but also many flaws in thier logic. Simply out I see this entire ordeal comming to the "If you're not with us, you're against us" mentality which will lead to much violence.

Note: sorry for the long ramble...

If we had a black republican running for office, do you truly believe that some democrats wouldn't do like wise?

And what about all the stuff being said about Palin? What category does that fall into? What about all the words used to describe Bush?

It is sad to hear stuff like that but it is part of reality. And people who believe otherwise are only fooling themselves. I encounter racism on a daily basis and it comes from many nationalities. Just as easy as there are whites that are racist, other nationalities are just as racist to whites.

Dbates, you are seriously deluding yourself if you don't think there is a high level of racism coming from the McPalin camp. They are actively stoking this and it's working! I worked at a fall festival in southern Indiana this past weekend for one of the volunteer groups I am in involved in and I heard, literally dozens of people, throwing around the N word when discussing Obama. I even had someone tell me directly that the thought it would be great if he was killed. This is coming from the McPalin camps desperate attempts to change the subject. The economic house is on fire and McPalin is screaming about the flower arrangements in the house next door. I don't blame them to for wanting to change the subject but they choosing the most despicable and dangerous way possible.

Originally posted by DarkStormCrow

Yesterday in Oregon two Obama supporters tossed a Molotov cocktail into a yard with a McCain Palin sign. I think that link is on Drudge should you want to get a look at that story.

There is enough blame to go round on both sides.

then again, maybe they were just McCain supporters, trying to stoke up the fires a little?

either way you look at it, for the followers to go to these lengths seems to indicate that there are alot of strong emotions at play between the two camps wanting to boil over.
it's not good.

This is a direct result of the fact that those of us who don't support Obama have been accused of being racists for nearly a year now, especially we former Hillary Clinton supporters who refuse to fall in line and get over it in support of Obama. We have been called every name in the book and abused to such an extent I don't see how any of her former supporters could ever consider voting for him. I am deeply offended and ticked off that I am called racist when it isn't true at all. I'd have eagerly supported a black candidate, male or female, for president if I felt that this person was one of good character. I don't feel that Obama is and I never will.

What the DNC, media, and Obama supporters did to Hillary's supporters is exactly the same thing they are doing to McCain and Palin. It is truly disgusting. No, this election will not end well. I fully expect violence whether Obama wins and especially if he doesn't. People all around are angry and becoming a bit unhinged.

Interesting that the Republicans hired such obvious CIA agents to spread disinformation and hatred to insight riot-like mentality. This is NLP at it's best and most basic form, and those sheeple just let them yell that junk into their ears with no recourse, noone says, "Hey, that's un-American, un-Republican, and un-civil, so why don't you shut up." It's too bad that those rally-goers let their ignorance show, like that.

This is NOTHING like the Obama rally I went to where everyone was engaging in civil conversation, smiling, and only cheering for Obama. McCain's name never ever even came up.

It's obvious that the Republicans want to start a civil war, because they're afraid of a black man. Clinton never got this junk. So, Republicans are more afraid of a gentleman than losing their Human Rights to the Neo-Cons, interesting

Truth is, I'm still writing in Ron Paul for President, as everyone should.

(I added "sheeple" to my spell-checker dictionary)

[edit on 13-10-2008 by RockCore]

The way I see it, is there are a few of different kinds of Obama protesters.

1. The kind who are openly racist and narrow minded that they would never consider voting for a black man, much less one with the "Arab/terrorist" label attached.

2. The closet racist who are ok with black folks as long as they keep their distance and don't " stir up trouble".

3. The people who aren't racist at all, but don't agree with Obama's ticket.

From what I have seen on those videos is that the ignorant open racists are getting the closet racist riled up and the thought of a black president scares the heck out of them. They now feel safe in coming out of the racist closet because they can blend in with the openly racists. They are allowing themselves to be brainwashed by hearing only what the racists say and are not willing at all to educate themselves.

It's a shame, really. I can't believe in this day and age the amount of racism that exists. It's one thing not to want to vote for Obama because you don't like his platform, but quite another to have a KKK mentality toward him.