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Originally posted by larphillips
... is the sudden rise in strength of the dollar coupled with a dramatic decrease in the price of oil.
But all hope for a bull stampede is not lost. Ironically, if things take a turn for the worse early Tuesday, it might be a bullish sign.
”(If we come in tomorrow) and find out about some bad news out of Europe or Asia and get a very heavy round of selling going into 11:30am with high volume the market could turn like a cattle stampede,” Cashin says.
Originally posted by son of PC
I think Kramer's on screen persona is a little bit off. For instance, when the stock marker tanks he should have something he can apply to make him sweat real bad. Then he would take his jacket off and be covered in flop sweat. Kinda like he was having a heart attack or something.
Originally posted by Zepherian
Did not read thread, so my apologies if my post is repetitive.
I just watched a local portuguese news channel here, 22h GMT. SIC Notícias. Basically they gave a very strong hint at what is really going on here. They showed a brokering agency and everything is quiet and the report basically said "despite the heavy losses the day has been quiet, as most of the movement has been big investors dropping stocks". Further in the report another reporter said the investors were dropping the crashing markets to buy gold.
Here is my take on this whole mess: Big investment is dropping massive amounts of stocks to generate panic, hoping John Q Public gets in a mass panic and sells his investment. Once the price gets low enough they will use their massive economic leverage, and you don't get more massive than being part of the money issueing class, to basically buy back the economy for pennies on the pound, or cents on the euro and dollar or whatever. It's an old trick, they've done it before.
Here is where John Q Public can screw them over: I don't see much of a panic this time, outside brainless journalism drones. Seems the information age is doing it's thing, as people are networked and functioning at a higher informational frequency. What should happen if anyone is really awake, and I for one am planning on putting money where my mouth is, is there should be a massive buy up popular movement of good stocks comencing tomorrow or the day after. This will stop the seeded crash in it's tracks and get stocks at perhaps 30-50% discount. This will also massively hurt the NWO crowd as they lose some of their corporate leverage. Sure, not everyone can do this, but a very large portion of the middle class can. It won't change much of the status quo but it will send the elitists a very clear message: we see you.
I am focusing on telecoms, manufacturing and commerce companies, things that are more or less mainstreet and should survive all but the biggest crashes.
Look at it this way: if these bastards do successfully crash the system you're going to lose most of what you own anyway. This way we go down fighting.
This is my personal opinion, I am not liable for any losses, take it for what it's worth. But at least realise that this whole thing was a psyop.
Peace.
Originally posted by Zepherian
reply to post by bruxfain
That makes no sense when they are basically getting free money given to them... The only way they will lose everything is if people, however they can, take it from them.
I'm going to nibble a little bit.
Originally posted by Zepherian
I am focusing on telecoms, manufacturing and commerce companies, things that are more or less mainstreet and should survive all but the biggest crashes.
Originally posted by bruxfain
Originally posted by Zepherian
reply to post by bruxfain
That makes no sense when they are basically getting free money given to them... The only way they will lose everything is if people, however they can, take it from them.
I'm going to nibble a little bit.
And right on que someone responds that it is impossible that the Big Investment could be outsmarted by the public. We so dumb and they so smart.
Dude, I assure you they have lost more than you can possibly imagine. I don't expect you to believe it. Your job is to convince people to arm themselves and protest and panic. Or to destroy their government or so on. Your script is to communicate the idea of hopelessness. I've got your program.
All of your base are belong to us now!!
Originally posted by Zepherian
reply to post by bruxfain
Now you're just making stuff up, I said nothing of the sort, in fact it's 100% the opposite. Reread untill it sinks in.
Originally posted by larphillips
Originally posted by bruxfain
Originally posted by Zepherian
reply to post by bruxfain
That makes no sense when they are basically getting free money given to them... The only way they will lose everything is if people, however they can, take it from them.
I'm going to nibble a little bit.
And right on que someone responds that it is impossible that the Big Investment could be outsmarted by the public. We so dumb and they so smart.
Dude, I assure you they have lost more than you can possibly imagine. I don't expect you to believe it. Your job is to convince people to arm themselves and protest and panic. Or to destroy their government or so on. Your script is to communicate the idea of hopelessness. I've got your program.
All of your base are belong to us now!!
Depends on who you define as the 'they.' The average rank & file worker at these large financial companies? They most certainly lost a lot... their jobs, perhaps their careers in an over-saturate job market, their savings if they owned stock in their company. The average stockholder who had a large portion of their portfolios in financials? Without a doubt. In any pyramid scheme, the bottom of the pyramid... the foundations that keeps the top safe and secure... is the first to crumble and the worst hit. But we don't take any pleasure in seeing these people suffer because they most certainly weren't the cause of this catastrophy. No, the true culprits have all already gotten away scot free... with their rich golden parachutes, payout bonuses, and generous severence packages. They saw the writing on the wall a long time ago because they orchestrated this mess. They definitely planned for the inevitable and shielded their fortunes... even bolstered them... prior to the meltdown.
Originally posted by bruxfain
Originally posted by larphillips
Originally posted by bruxfain
Originally posted by Zepherian
reply to post by bruxfain
That makes no sense when they are basically getting free money given to them... The only way they will lose everything is if people, however they can, take it from them.
I'm going to nibble a little bit.
And right on que someone responds that it is impossible that the Big Investment could be outsmarted by the public. We so dumb and they so smart.
Dude, I assure you they have lost more than you can possibly imagine. I don't expect you to believe it. Your job is to convince people to arm themselves and protest and panic. Or to destroy their government or so on. Your script is to communicate the idea of hopelessness. I've got your program.
All of your base are belong to us now!!
Depends on who you define as the 'they.' The average rank & file worker at these large financial companies? They most certainly lost a lot... their jobs, perhaps their careers in an over-saturate job market, their savings if they owned stock in their company. The average stockholder who had a large portion of their portfolios in financials? Without a doubt. In any pyramid scheme, the bottom of the pyramid... the foundations that keeps the top safe and secure... is the first to crumble and the worst hit. But we don't take any pleasure in seeing these people suffer because they most certainly weren't the cause of this catastrophy. No, the true culprits have all already gotten away scot free... with their rich golden parachutes, payout bonuses, and generous severence packages. They saw the writing on the wall a long time ago because they orchestrated this mess. They definitely planned for the inevitable and shielded their fortunes... even bolstered them... prior to the meltdown.
Yes people did lose jobs. But they probably had savings, maybe they'll go home. Collect some unemployment, while they rebuild. If you were in the ship when it went down, I really don't know what to say to you.
I bet Dick Fuld and Franklin Raines would trade futures with you. Yeah, they, and people like them, got big cash settlements, but we're getting the whole world. They still have to live in this world and we'll always remember what they did.
I suppose in the end its all about how you want to be remembered and what it is that you think is important in life.
Originally posted by larphillips
Another sign of massive, world-wide market manipulation (and a very easy way to appease the sheeple) is the sudden rise in strength of the dollar coupled with a dramatic decrease in the price of oil.