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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Well it depends how you mean.
Geniuses tend to be male and achieve more in their fields. However this could be put down to the drive of men that most women just don't have. Then there are maternity issues, women usually end up, around the age of 30, dropping out of graduate courses.
I don't think the average man is smarter than the average woman and we deffinately get female geniuses. However i think male geniuses tend to go further, push harder and achieve more. This doesn't mean they're smarter, just that their hormones are more geared towards achievement.
Originally posted by Ghost147
didnt we have a source somehwere on this thread stating that we generally all start out with the same chance. hasnt it been proven that things like playing music and showing images to a baby can dramatically effect their IQs?
or am i wrong?
Originally posted by Ghost147
By not thinking freely, i really ment encoraged not to think freely. obviously, yes, they could/did. but they definetly werent wanted to.
Originally posted by skeptic1
Originally posted by LogicalSolution
Originally posted by skeptic1
You made the point that women need men to pass on the women's DNA. I just pointed out that the actual man isn't needed for the situation you presented.
Well obviously he is needed, where is the sperm going to come from, the grocery store?
-LS
Sperm bank.
The actual person, the physical man, is not needed to be physically there in order for your situation to take place.
Back on topic....
Source
This was kind of interesting....environment seems to be more important than genetics when discussing intelligence.
Your brain, your nervous system, your entire body is constructed according to instructions received from the genes that you have inherited from your parents. It would seem reasonable that superior genes would provide a child with superior intelligence capacity. And in fact, researchers have discovered that parents with high IQ’s tend to have children with high IQ’s, while parents with low IQ’s tend to have children with low IQ’s.
Does that prove that intelligence is inherited, which implies that a person is a slave to his genes? The founders of the IQ industry certainly thought that this was the case. However, consider the fact that, unless a child does not learn to speak at all, the children of English parents speak English, the children of Spanish parents speak Spanish, and the children of French parents speak French. Surely the ability to speak a certain language is not inherited, but is dependent on the language that the child hears on a daily basis! In the same way, IQ and intelligence might be dependent on the child’s environment, and specifically the quality and quantity of education that he receives. Perhaps being raised in an intellectual home with intelligent parents tends to increase a child’s IQ.
Research on the role of the environment in children's intellectual development has demonstrated that a stimulating environment can dramatically increase IQ, whereas a deprived environment can lead to a decrease in IQ. A few such research studies are listed below. They confirm that IQ is all but a fixed quantity.
For IQ, adoption studies show that, after adolescence, adoptive siblings are no more similar in IQ than strangers (IQ correlation near zero), while full siblings show an IQ correlation of 0.6.
Recent twin and adoption studies suggest that while the effect of the family environment is substantial in early childhood, it becomes quite small by late adolescence. These findings suggest that differences in the life styles of families, whatever their importance may be for many aspects of children's lives, make little long-term difference for the skills measured by intelligence tests.
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In the case of the inheritance of IQ or a certain degree of giftedness, the relatives of probands with a high IQ exhibit a comparably high IQ with a much higher probability than the general population. Bouchard and McGue (1981) have reviewed such correlations reported in 111 original studies in the United States.[5] The mean correlation of IQ scores between monozygotic twins was 0.86, between siblings, 0.47, between half-siblings, 0.31, and between cousins, 0.15. From such data the heritability of IQ has been estimated at anywhere between 0.40 and 0.80 in the United States. The reason for this wide margin appears to be that the heritability of IQ rises through childhood and adolescence, peaking at 0.68 and 0.78 in adults, leaving the overwhelming majority of IQ differences between individuals to be explained genetically.[6]
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In a longitudinal genetic study we explored which factors underlie stability in verbal and nonverbal abilities, and the extent to which the association between these abilities becomes stronger as children grow older. Measures of verbal and nonverbal IQ were collected in Dutch twin pairs at age 5, 7, 10, 12 and 18 years. The stability of both verbal and nonverbal abilities was high, with correlations over time varying from .47 for the 13-year time interval up to .80 for shorter time intervals. Structural equation modeling showed increasing heritability with age, from 48% (verbal) and 64% (nonverbal) at age 5 to 84% and 74% at age 18. Genetic influences seemed to be the driving force behind stability. Stability in nonverbal ability was entirely explained by genes. Continuity in verbal abilities was explained by genetic and shared environmental effects. The overlap between verbal and nonverbal abilities was fully accounted for by genes influencing both abilities. The genetic correlation between verbal and nonverbal IQ increased from .62 in early childhood to .73 in young adulthood.
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General intelligence or IQ is strongly affected by genetic factors. The IQs of the adult MZA twins assessed with various instruments in four independent studies correlate about 0.70, indicating that about 70% of the observed variation in IQ in this population can be attributed to genetic variation.
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Originally posted by Sonya610
Originally posted by LogicalSolutionFatherless children frequently grow up to become criminals, and other behavorial problems. Lack of discipline, no fatherly figure, whatever the cause or reason, it's a true statistic.
Lets be a bit more specific, MALE children with no father figure or other strong male role model often end up overly aggressive and with behavioral problems.
They think that is because without a male role model young males tend to emulate the more extreme forms of male behavior in terms of aggression and machismo.
Conversely if they had grown up with male role-models that were balanced and handled anger and conflict in a reasonable way they would model themselves after those individuals because those individuals would define how "men" act.
I do think it is very important for females raising children without the child's father to make sure that male offspring have close long term relationships with responsible, sane minded men.
[edit on 4-10-2008 by Sonya610]
Originally posted by Ghost147
good find sonya, thanks for the info!
Originally posted by Mercuryae I have been diagnosed with genderdysphoria ( between androgyny and transgenderism , somewhere in between ) and some signs of a light depression.
Soo..how did the lack of a father figure affect us? Why are we so different from each other?
Originally posted by Sonya610
Originally posted by Mercuryae I have been diagnosed with genderdysphoria ( between androgyny and transgenderism , somewhere in between ) and some signs of a light depression.
Soo..how did the lack of a father figure affect us? Why are we so different from each other?
Genetics play a huge role. Also as I started reading your post I wondered "is this person female or gay?" then I got read down to the genderdysphoria part. : )
Originally posted by skeptic1
That's because most all studies on genetics role in intelligence versus environmental situations have been done on identical twins and adopted children. There haven't been that many that have focused on anything other than those two types of people.