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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by jitombe
No, it should be okay to be against the religion, but not the people itself. Do you see what I'm getting at? I'm trying to get these people to stop hating people because they believe in different things and I'm trying to get them to be critical of people in a non-hateful way. ATS is a discussion forum and I think that this amount of anti-semitism on ATS intimidates Jewish people from speaking up at ATS. You know how people complained about not getting Pro-Palestinian voices? I think we have less pro-Jewish people on here. I believe one of the ideas that ATS is founded upon is Trust... and I don't think members can trust one another if they hate each other because of their beliefs.
Originally posted by kidflash2008
reply to post by Frankidealist35
1. People are still allowed to hate who they want. That part of speech is still protected. I know of a lot of disabled vets who fought for the right to have free speech no matter how vile or hateful it can be. You have a right to respond to it, not ban it.
2. No historian really knows the true amount of people killed during the holocaust. If they say only 2 million persons, that is still way too many. The number can be argued, the fact it happened cannot. Genocide happened in the Soviet Union and China, we don't hear complaints about numbers. The true numbers are unknown, with the lower end of one million and a higher end of seven million.
The Holocaust is generally regarded as the systematic, state-sponsored persecution and slaughter of approximately 6 million Jews — two thirds of the total European Jewish population, and two-fifths of the Jews in the entire world — but also millions of other victims, by the Nazi regime and its collaborators under Adolf Hitler.
While the Jews were the primary target, there were many other ethnic, secular, religious, and national groups that suffered during the Holocaust, including Poles, Czechs, Greeks, Gypsies, Serbs, Ukranians, and Russians, as well as homosexuals, mentally and physically handicapped persons, trade unionists, prisoners of war, Jehovah's Witnesses, and uncounted others. All were targeted because of their perceived "racial inferiority."
3. Until Israel apologizes for their cowardly attack against the USS Liberty in 1967, I do not thank they should be defended by our country.
4. Anti-Semitic also means against Arabs and Muslims. To just state it is against the Jews is wrong.
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I don't think you should promote hate. That's an indefensible position. If you hate other people and want to kill them because of what they did then you stoop down to their level.
The article goes on to detail all of Hitler's autocracies against the Jews. I recommend you read it.
You're treating Israel like they were the aggressor in all of this. If you were the leader of a nation and someone was launching rockets at you all the time what would you do? Let them keep watching rockets? That argument doesn't stand.
This argument against the use of anti-semitic in this case also doesn't stand. If you know anything about history you would be aware that people who are against Jewish people in the past were described by that term.
1. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
2. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
1. The Semitic languages.
2. Any one of the Semitic languages.